He got me to read the Manifesto and would have hours’ long debates with our social-democratic roommate and now this. It’s really shaking me up a bit.

He is on the whole defeatist ‘nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies’ tip. I want to get through to him but I am getting stuck.

For example:

i also refuse to not vote my conscience but i figured this time its not like doing this abstract process to pick if id prefer -100 points vs -200 points is gonna matter that much if i genuinely believe itll even be slightly better under kamala i might as well

kitty-birthday-sad

  • transscribe7891@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    4·
    16 days ago

    project 2025 will help billionaires take away our ability to unionize. it will help SCOTUS and lower courts pass anti-abortion and anti-trans laws, leading to countless deaths (children included) and suicide. it already has in some states. it will gut public education. it will extend mass surveillance. and so much more.

    yes, their foreign policy is the typical establishment bullshit. but domestically, we need to secure our freedoms to protest and unionize at the ballot box if we want to continue to be able to protest in the streets.

    • robinn_ [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      81·
      16 days ago

      Proj 2025 is going to be implemented by Trump?* Waow I should vote for the party that conspired to elevate him in the Republican Party so he or an equivalent could be the Republican nominee in 2016!!

      *No, it isn’t.

      And you haven’t addressed what Kamala is actually saying.

    • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      52·
      16 days ago

      Biden literally crushed unions but go off king. The supreme court overturned roe v wade and nobody gives a shit. Kamala doesn’t give a shit about LGBTQ people, what an ally she is

      it will gut public education. it will extend mass surveillance. and so much more.

      Yeah, just like the dems. More money for cops, less money for schools, let’s go patriot act, let’s go surveillance state.

      our freedoms to protest

      Lmao they beat the shit out of college kids this year for protesti-

      at the ballot box

      Ah yeah of course that’s the only one that matters - the one that doesn’t do anything.

      if we want to continue to be able to protest in the streets.

      What a wonderful system where there’s two choices and if you pick the wrong one (alongside half the population) then the system is torn down, so you have to pick the other one. Let’s never stop and look back to 50 years ago when people were already pointing out the flaws in that argument

      The only difference between the two is that Trump is rude on twitter and you care when he does the things they all do. Wish you’d pay as much attention when it’s a democrat instead of going back to brunch.

      Also

      Foreign policy

      It’s not “bad” it’s a GENOCIDE YOU FUCKING GHOUL.