Disclaimer since based on my last comment i know the accusation is coming: i voted for claudia already. I think socialists should vote for Claudia if shes available.
I just also think voting is not the ultimate expression of politics and doesnt mean that much. The “its an endorsement” thing is true, but one extra endorsement does not equal one extra dead Palestinian. Thats just magical thinking. (Also, ive tried telling people the endorsement thing because its what changed my mind about lesser evilism, it doesnt work.)
And the idea that every Kamala voter is horrific evil when many are scared, propagandized, gaslit marginalized people doing what they think they need to do to not die is misguided. You guys claim to be the ultimate propaganda understanders but dont seem to understand its power. Are people still responsible for their actions? Sure. Does a vote of all things matter as an action all that much? Lmao fuck no. Its basically pointless.
Like ive actually talked to liberals about their vote. I didnt even have to touch grass to it! Where their coming from is wrong and ive told them that, but ive seen the effect the lesser evilism propaganda has on their mind. they are not coming from a place of evil with their choice Hating, “not forgiving”, or throwing in the pit (as ive seriosly seen suggested) the 10s of millions of people who will vote Kamala in November is simply not practical. You cant hate humanity to that extent and organize. And you definitly cant desire to kill that many people lmao.
Also, most of you are ex liberals. Meaning most of you have endorsed war crimes with a vote. Probably worth keeping in mind.
I feel like a lot of these callout posts that are definitely directed at specific people would be solved with the understanding that everyone on here understands the difference between Hexbear and real life and that rhetorical hyperbole exists as a means for commiseration and venting. Does it occasionally get a little extreme on here? Sure. Should you be concerned that we’re all baying for blood in the streets? Nah.
I do think- and hear me out here, because I think people are predisposed to think of those sort of take as inherently justifying weird shit because people love to read into what ND people say. But it is definitely a result of us ND people reading others online very literally. It is difficult for us to tell the difference between a post that is ironic or unironic, hyperbole or literal, sober or joking, especially if we are familiar with the degree to which reality exceeds parody. I genuinely believe the hatred of this kind of post is rooted primarily in a kind of weird synthesis of something weird and cringe (ableism and an expectation of everyone acting the same) with something usually good (a desire to ensure a complete lack of reactionaries in our spaces). We (the ND) are interpreting a comment or general Vibe incorrectly because of our extremely different communication styles, and when it comes time for the majority/advantaged group (the NT) to clarify what they meant they instead interpret our questions as the prods or statements they would have intended if they said the same thing.
We definitely need a Dictatorship of the Neurodivergent on this site, even if we already have one it’s not enough. Yeah, if you read things literally it gets a little harder to detect a bad faith chud trying to wreck the site, but there are still really obvious tells. A change to a more explicitly communicative general conversation policy would be a huge improvement. I wish tone tags were built into every comment. ( someone going “god I want to kill Kopmala voters /pissed off” is way easier to relate to than our (some ND people’s) default assumption of “god I want to kill Kopmala voters /genuine /sober”)
Yes, this is not an excuse for any sort of problematic behavior. But the assumption that we are engaging with it in the first place with posts like this is a heavily neurotypical one. And I do take issue to @autismdragon’s reference to grass touching because that exact phrasing is usually used to dismiss us, though I do not think they considered this when they wrote the post.
When the NT urge to read nonexistent context into neurodivergent conversation crosses with our very real and reasonable experiences with reactionaries abusing said context to smuggle in their reactionary sentiments without saying anything explicit, it becomes very, very ugly, and I think it usually ends up with people both assuming neurodivergent people intend to spread reactionary rhetoric and becoming unreasonably angry at them, while also having neurodivergent people accidentally spread it because neurotypical people can share invisible context with each other even through the medium of someone specifically not trying to add any. The only real way to fix this is to embrace more and more explicit communication (and to embrace theory that makes the smuggled, implicit reactionary sentiments explicit through the revealing of it’s internal mechanisms)
I’m happy to take suggestions on ways to improve my communication style for ND folks. I’ve been marinating in the hexbear house style to the point where maybe it’d be beneficial to take a step back and reflect a little.
That said, it doesn’t appear that OPs issue here is with people sounding like reactionaries, it’s more against the performative misanthropy of comments like “Kamala voters get the pit.” I’m inclined to read that charitably as venting and not as a literal call to murder millions of people and respect the fact that the people engaging in that rhetoric online might be perfectly normal in real life. I think this election in particular has ratcheted up the pressure on all of us to stay sane against a deluge of propaganda, some of which we deliberately seek out and expose ourselves to by getting into dust ups with other instances, so I can’t say it’s entirely healthy.
I just wonder if these sorts of drive by posts where the op doesn’t really interact are actually helpful and change minds or if they’re just ways of getting approval and self-soothing after an interaction on here goes sideways, and I’m not sure that’s happening along an ND/NT divide.
This is what I meant, there’s a tendency for me and others to read said comments more literally despite it not being intended as such