Its a fair point and i see where you are coming from but would it not also be fair to say a that a “fry up” is a colloquialism meaning full english? I would ask, where does a fry up cease to be a fry up? Whats the minimum requirements? Is eggs on toast a fry up? Eggs and sausage and beans? Sausages and bacon and toast? Or all of the above?

Or does fry up refer to how its cooked, in that it all goes in the pan? I tend to grill my bacon and sausages, fry my eggs and mushrooms, toaster my toast, microwave my beans. Is that not longer a fry up because its not all in the frying pan?

As to your point about the ingredients being common in a few places like Australia and America. Is it not fair to say that they adopted the meal and that explains the commonality? Like in england a curry is a practically a national dish, but its adopted from indian cuisine. We make it slightly differently to its country of origin but at its core the ingredients required to call it a curry are not uncommon anywhere in the world.

Ask the beholder you were trying to hit with a magic missile.

And you are very welcome to enjoy your specific version of a full english. 😀

Historically there is no set version of a full english. What you describe is just your version. It will be, entirely, a social construct. This is why the full english varies so much, its different traditions in different areas and families being passed down, giving everyone a different vision of what it is.

Its similar to how everyone has their own christmas traditions, or how fish and chips in the north tend to be more traditionally served with gravy mushy peas and bread+butter. Whereas in the south, typically, they are sold with just ketchup or mayonnaise. But again, not exclusively. They only requirement is a fash and some chips. Everything else is just a variation of that but still counts.

This is why i belive that there only needs to be a few core ingredients for a full english to qualify as a full english. After that its all tradition and preference.

Wand of magic missile.

Occasionally shoots cum.

I think that a full english isn’t an exclusionary meal. I think there are a few factors it needs to be in the category of full english but that there are many variations and additions or subtractions that still count.

In my opinion the only things required for a full english are any 4 of the following:

• fried eggs
• sausages
• bacon
• beans
• toast

Anything less is not “full” and anything more is a variation of the full english.

Hash browns? Sure! ulsterfry? Go for it! Mushrooms? Absolutely! Tomatoes (grilled of course) yes please! Black pudding (not for me) bring it on!

But there is no singular thing that makes it a full english, it just has to have enough of the core ingredients to meet the criteria.

Must be a US thing, in the UK they are easily one of if not the most popular brand of crisps (chips) they are called walkers here but the logo is the same. We have stricter regulations on what is classed as food in this country though.

Thats awesome. And really tidy, ive only just started making something like this and it already looks like this:

I hope you are doing your bit to stop it. You are clearly passionate about it. I just worry that too many people feel hopeless because it looks worse than it really is, which is the very tool the fascists need to win. Much like you say, apathy and inaction is what will destroy the world.

I am sorry to see so many downvoting me during this exchange. I don’t feel like i oppose your views, i just have a different perspective. I think its healthy to allow others views to help to shape your own. Even if all it does it reaffirms your already held beliefs. If i was to think of an example of this, i would compare it to the characters in always sunny in philadelphia. They are not the heroes of the story, they are assholes, they are a charicature example of what not to be. They reaffirm my position against that type of person and those types of views.

I hope you are safe over there. Its a scary place to live right now, or at least it seems it from the outside looking in.

Ok, so, you are not a fascist country, you are a country run by fascists with fascists in it. But this doesn’t represent the values of the entire population. Especially when trump rigged the election (by his own admission) that means that not even the majority are fascists. And then you have to exclude all those who voted for trump because they were duped by his campaign who aren’t fascist and are just more republican and 4ight leaning than left.

I feel the same way about israel and palestine. We are quick to speak to the separation of hamas and palestine as a whole, but when it comes to israel, the same voices are shouting its the whole country and not just a genocidal organisation and their followers.

I think its an important distinction.

Thats a fine argument, and i agree with you. But I’m not talking about people who understand the implication behind naming the country and not the individuals. I am specifically saying that there are swathes of people who hear the word israel and its not a government, its not a country, its a terrorist, its a more abstract scary monster thing and for those people, it shifts blame from the government, to the country as a whole. Just like what happened with antifa. Antifa doesnt mean anti fascist to idiots. It means terrorist.

Are you a fascist?

Ok, but fascism is wildly popular in the USA right now. Would you make the same argument there?

Or, like me, are you more inclined towards believing that more likely a few terrible people in power have sway with a vast number of easily led racists and that mischaracterises the whole country?

I guess because otherwise you have something more akin to communism.

Which is a big scary monster and the biggest economies in the world would rather suppress a system the levels the playing field and helps everyone than give up their dollary-doos.

I think about this from time to time.

Its like, hey we make a product and it costs this much to make and we make this much profit, so that should be it. Thats how much this product makes. Dunzo. Next muffin. But it never works that way, once they have found the sweet spot where the product is useful and works well whilst also selling for a price that pays for production development and wages then it becomes about cutting costs to increase profits and that takes the form of using cheaper materials, paying lower wages, firing staff, incorporating planned obsolescence so people need to buy more. All in the name of profits and bonuses.

Its disgusting, it damages society, the environment and warps peoples minds so that people like donald trump exist and i hate it.

I read it as saying she is a “straight up dude”. Was that not the intention?

So speculation, victim blaming and general lack of humanity. Yours is an opinion i should listen to and live by…

Maybe instead of everyone calling it isreal and palestine, they should say the isreali government and innocent people.

They should say Netanyahu is committing genocide.

Saying israel instead of directly naming the culprits is sort of like when people say antifa. In the case of antifa it makes bad actors able to demonise the word and make it seem like a bad thing, so it can be used to twist peoples minds and make them think its a bad thing.

In the case of this genocide, it dehumanises the people committing the atrocities and diverts blame to the word instead of the people. Which has the effect of people like Netanyahu being able to reassociate the word with the israeli people and the jews.

So it absolutely isnt antisemitic to say israel is committing genocide, but it is unhelpful to divert the blame from the real asshats in charge.

My brain hurts 😜

Yeah, some more news is one of my favourites. I tend to listen to it like a podcast when i am driving to and from work. But the visuals help sometimes.

Its a great showdy.

This is (somewhat) paradoxical.

• A practically good pirate would steal stuff
• A morally good pirate would not steal stuff
• A practically bad pirate would not steal stuff
• A morally bad pirate would steal stuff.

So you have to be bad to be good and good to be bad.