“So yes, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine – but did so with a gun to its head, or in this case, nuclear-compatible missiles. Compared to the US mobilization for immediate nuclear war when roles were reversed w Russian nukes in Cuba, this response was relatively moderate.”
She’s went with the old “but NATO would be right there!” argument, which is pro imperialist apologia.
“When it comes to Ukraine, we must grasp the implications of NATO expansion and its potential to escalate into a catastrophic conflict,” West stated. He called for an end to the war in Ukraine and urged diplomatic negotiations to ensure both Russian security and Ukrainian freedom.”
Once again, a pro imperialist argument that Ukraine isn’t allowed to do what it wants because it would piss off it’s former colonizer. And a pro imperialist argument that we know better than Ukraine and they should stop fighting because we said so, even though they want to keep fighting.
Yes because surrendering to genocidal maniacs is the “anti war” position.
And in this case, being anti NATO is being pro imperialist. Russia is angry that a former colony is going against them. NATO is supporting the colony against their former colonizers. Suggesting that the colonists stop fighting and do whatever the colonizers want is pro imperialism, and it’s what Stein and West are supporting.
No support for Israel. No support for Russia. No support for colonizers. Any “leftist” against Palestinian and Ukrainian aid is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
So Stein has a brilliant negotiation tactic that will succeed where everyone else has failed, and it will lead to Russia completely withdrawing and paying for rebuilding Ukraine?
Yep. Anything short of Russia’s total retreat is unacceptable, and ideally they’ll be forced to pay reparations as well.
Something often forgotten by the “stop the war now” crowd is that the war could be over tomorrow if Russia withdrew. This war only exists because Russia invaded another country to stop their sovereignty. The war ends if Russia leaves and respects Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Would you find it acceptable if Biden negotiated a deal where the Palestinian genocide would stop if half of Gaza fell under Israel’s total control? I certainly wouldn’t. You don’t give oppressors a reward.
i’m an anarchist, and i don’t believe states should exist at all. there are people living in the region called ukraine. i want them to live without any government, russian or ukranian.
Stein says that Russia had no other choice but to invade Ukraine and commit genocide there, and Cornel West has a similar position I believe.
If you don’t want to vote for a genocide apologist, you basically can’t vote.
>Stein says that Russia had no other choice but to invade Ukraine and commit genocide there, and Cornel West has a similar position I believe.
neither of them said this. your comment is straight misinformation.
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1629226431006875651?lang=en
“So yes, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine – but did so with a gun to its head, or in this case, nuclear-compatible missiles. Compared to the US mobilization for immediate nuclear war when roles were reversed w Russian nukes in Cuba, this response was relatively moderate.”
She’s went with the old “but NATO would be right there!” argument, which is pro imperialist apologia.
EDIT: I forgot Dr. West.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/2024-election/biden-war-criminal-cornel-west/
“When it comes to Ukraine, we must grasp the implications of NATO expansion and its potential to escalate into a catastrophic conflict,” West stated. He called for an end to the war in Ukraine and urged diplomatic negotiations to ensure both Russian security and Ukrainian freedom.”
Once again, a pro imperialist argument that Ukraine isn’t allowed to do what it wants because it would piss off it’s former colonizer. And a pro imperialist argument that we know better than Ukraine and they should stop fighting because we said so, even though they want to keep fighting.
being antinato is being anti-imperialist.
i love that you shared that thread. anyone can see she opposes war and genocide just by reading your link.
Yes because surrendering to genocidal maniacs is the “anti war” position.
And in this case, being anti NATO is being pro imperialist. Russia is angry that a former colony is going against them. NATO is supporting the colony against their former colonizers. Suggesting that the colonists stop fighting and do whatever the colonizers want is pro imperialism, and it’s what Stein and West are supporting.
No support for Israel. No support for Russia. No support for colonizers. Any “leftist” against Palestinian and Ukrainian aid is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
>Suggesting that the colonists stop fighting and do whatever the colonizers want
no one said that
So Stein has a brilliant negotiation tactic that will succeed where everyone else has failed, and it will lead to Russia completely withdrawing and paying for rebuilding Ukraine?
she might. i don’t honestly know.
is that your standard for biden, too?
Yep. Anything short of Russia’s total retreat is unacceptable, and ideally they’ll be forced to pay reparations as well.
Something often forgotten by the “stop the war now” crowd is that the war could be over tomorrow if Russia withdrew. This war only exists because Russia invaded another country to stop their sovereignty. The war ends if Russia leaves and respects Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Would you find it acceptable if Biden negotiated a deal where the Palestinian genocide would stop if half of Gaza fell under Israel’s total control? I certainly wouldn’t. You don’t give oppressors a reward.
calling for an end of the war is not pro-russian. you are providing evidence against your own position and then lying about what the evidence says.
It certainly is if Ukraine wants to continue fighting to reclaim their own land.
Let Ukraine decide, and support them in whatever their decision is.
i’m an anarchist, and i don’t believe states should exist at all. there are people living in the region called ukraine. i want them to live without any government, russian or ukranian.
she called the invasion illegal, and the only extent to which your comment is correct, cornel west agrees with **that**.
I’ve responded to your other comment.