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  • queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    5 months ago

    I think, when we finally do have a generally-accepted definition of consciousness, we will be deeply unsettled by how simple it is. How unprofound. Like a magic trick after you know how it works. And I think it will require us to think hard about what to do with animals and software that have it.

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      5 months ago

      I feel like that’s exactly why we don’t have a generally-accepted definition of consciousness. Western ethics assigns special protection to whatever is conscious, so it is convenient to come up with a definition of consciousness, which excludes groups you want to exploit.

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        5 months ago

        Tale as old as time, or at least the conscious idea of time. Whatever consciousness is, we are it. Those humans over there though? Who’s to say they aren’t sub-humans? Isn’t it our job to enlighten them and also take their land and food and things and selves?

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      5 months ago

      Personally I’m in the “consciousness is an illusion and every time you go to bed a different person wakes up in the morning” camp.

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          By consciousness being an illusion I mean that we place great value on the uninterrupted continuation of our consciousness, but I think it’s likely that it (exactly as you suggest) only really exists in the moment. The illusion would then be the illusion that consciousness is uninterrupted, when in reality you’re almost constantly recreating yourself from memory.

          This would, incidentally, make us concerningly similar to current AI models.

          Of course I have no way of actually knowing any of this. It’s just what I’m betting on, because otherwise I think it’s really hard to explain any unconsciousness (be it sleep, general anesthesia, suspended animation or the Star Trek transporter) as anything short of death. My belief “solves” this problem by rejecting the whole premise of uninterrupted consciousness.