My point is the primary system is a process, not a one time vote. If you look at the primary vote as a final and singular number, then yeah the candidate won the primary with the popular vote.
But the primaries take place over time. The results of the initial primary states absolutely impact the votes of the later states. In the last two election cycles the initial momentum by Sanders was met with resistance and attack ads. There is clearly no dispute that the SDs have influence which they exert.
So it appears this boils down to a concern that you have with the word usage of ‘forced’. Which is kind of a meaningless hangup given the reality of the electoral process and this thread of conversation.
There is clearly no dispute that the SDs have influence which they exert.
This is so vague to the point it’s meaningless. It seems, based on the context, that you think the super delegates were running the attack ads. Is this accurate? Politicians and their supporters attack each other all the time. Sanders likewise attacked Clinton and Biden. It’s an empty point.
So it appears this boils down to a concern that you have with the word usage of ‘forced’. Which is kind of a meaningless hangup given the reality of the electoral process and this thread of conversation.
I’m hung up on the word because it means something very different than the way it was used. As I’ve already said, if it’s really about thinking we should do away with the SD system, we both agree. You could simply say that’s what you meant by the term force and we could move on. However, you’re attempting to make it my issue, when all I did was point out that nothing was forced, Sanders was just beat. You’ve offered up nothing other than vague accusations about how the fact that SD exist and favored Clinton/Biden, that somehow “forced” them onto us.
I think it seems that way if you look at the outcomes and ignore the process which led to said outcome.
You get it. But word usage seems to be a stickler for you and I honestly can’t help you navigate that. I call it forcing. You wouldn’t. The overall point is tangible enough that it doesn’t need further elaboration for the audience.
My point is the primary system is a process, not a one time vote. If you look at the primary vote as a final and singular number, then yeah the candidate won the primary with the popular vote.
But the primaries take place over time. The results of the initial primary states absolutely impact the votes of the later states. In the last two election cycles the initial momentum by Sanders was met with resistance and attack ads. There is clearly no dispute that the SDs have influence which they exert.
So it appears this boils down to a concern that you have with the word usage of ‘forced’. Which is kind of a meaningless hangup given the reality of the electoral process and this thread of conversation.
This is so vague to the point it’s meaningless. It seems, based on the context, that you think the super delegates were running the attack ads. Is this accurate? Politicians and their supporters attack each other all the time. Sanders likewise attacked Clinton and Biden. It’s an empty point.
I’m hung up on the word because it means something very different than the way it was used. As I’ve already said, if it’s really about thinking we should do away with the SD system, we both agree. You could simply say that’s what you meant by the term force and we could move on. However, you’re attempting to make it my issue, when all I did was point out that nothing was forced, Sanders was just beat. You’ve offered up nothing other than vague accusations about how the fact that SD exist and favored Clinton/Biden, that somehow “forced” them onto us.
I think it seems that way if you look at the outcomes and ignore the process which led to said outcome.
You get it. But word usage seems to be a stickler for you and I honestly can’t help you navigate that. I call it forcing. You wouldn’t. The overall point is tangible enough that it doesn’t need further elaboration for the audience.