• hark@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    No we don’t. Covid won 2020 for the democrats, Biden was just along for the ride.

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        I agree with all of this, which is why I’ve lost all hope we can turn the ship of state around before we hit the iceberg of climate change. Oh well…

        But I’m encouraged because the last time the climate changed this abruptly it brought down hereditary monarchies so maybe this change will get rid of nation states entirely.

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        1 year ago

        Yes, the democrat establishment favorite did win the democrat establishment race. No, the democrat establishment do not represent the feelings of most Americans.

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              1 year ago

              Right by the time my state had its primary the DNC had declared Biden the presumptive nominee. My voice didn’t matter because the way primaries are done

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            1 year ago

            Yes, the popular vote in the establishment democrat dominated primaries. Voter participation rate is terrible in the general election and even worse in party primaries.

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              I don’t understand your point. Of course the candidate with more votes wins. If more of the voters pick establishment Democrats, then that’s who wins.

              If moderates need to earn the votes of progressives, then progressives also need to earn the votes of moderates. If more voters are going with moderates, then the progressive candidate needs to do more to earn their vote.

              For as much as this is harped about with Biden and establishment Democrats, I’m surprised the corollary isn’t obvious to people. The progressive candidate does not automatically deserve votes by the virtue of being progressive.

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                You’re confusing the primaries with the general election. If democrats want to win the general election consistently, they need to pick better candidates, not just ones that the party favors. If a progressive won the primary, do you think democrats would not vote for them? Democrats learned the wrong lessons from 2008, 2016, and even 2020.

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                  No my point is that the better candidates are those that win the primaries. They need to win votes for that to happen. The DNC could throw their weight behind them to help, but they still need to win the majority in the primary. And requires a broad appeal.

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                    Again, party primaries, which have way too much influence from the party, do not test for better candidates. You talk about broad appeal, but both trump and clinton had less than 50% approval during the election of 2016.