Socialism has always brought misery and oppression
It’s a good thing that misery and oppression don’t exist in Imperial America, then.
ummm you just did something called a whataboutism, which you’re not allowed to do
Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
Oppression is only when the bourgeoisie is held accountable, misery is only when the bourgeoisie can’t own 6 mansions
Understanding history is why I’m a fucking socialist
I make $17.51/hr as a vegan chef
That’s like, 20% more in terms of purchasing power than someone making $2.65 minimum wage in 1977. In 1978 it increased to $2.85, a 7.5% increase, equivalent to almost $14.50
And honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if my wage is exactly the fucking same as minimum wage in 1977 because I don’t think just adjusting it for inflation is really accurate when I know the inflation metrics are intentionally fucked with and under stated
For some reason though I’m the only person at my job who seemed to process this information and think “wow, that’s fucked,” I’m surrounded by absolutely unthinking slugs
Btw I picked 1977 because that’s the year my dad said was “the worst economy he’s ever lived through” (although i’m pretty sure he wasn’t even old enough to be working then)
I told him this about the wages and he’s all just telling me get a new job bro, when the obvious takeaway should be “either things were actually REALLY GOOD in 1977, and not the worst year ever for the economy, or things are REALLY BAD now” but apparently what seems to be kindergarten level reasoning abilities is beyond him
The average job nowadays asks a lot from you too. “Productivity” wise, one person with a laptop being paid the equivalent of $5/hr in 1977 could do the work of a moderately sized secretarial/data entry pool.
maybe it’s because i studied engineering at a public state university but i have no idea about what “socialist indoctrination” right wingers are always saying there is, if anything i saw the opposite
If you think about how right-wingers’ generally tend to call anything left of themselves socialism, then it makes more sense that they think university & media “socialist indoctrination” is a thing.
totally. the farther i went up within the academy, the more in the tank the institution was for praising large capital formations as a necessary partner (re: donor) in directing research and education priorities.
the “bleeding heart libs” may have been anti-chud, but they were also anti-union, paternalistic, and exploitative as fuck towards staff.
“college is liberal indoctrination”
It’s right there in the name: “Liberal Arts”
A thing you will see in med school is someone presenting a graph showing you black on fucking white that private hospitals are a plague which can be justified on neither a deontological nor utilitarian ground and telling you it’s important to have public private partnerships and we should probably consider some kind of private voucher system.
Combination of college being the first time many people start to seriously think about politics and that many social science disciplines refer to and/or were founded by Marx.
Real. I took a geography course out of curiousity, and there’s even Marxian analysis in that too! Crazy. I think that is why they think universities turn you into a communist.
It couldn’t be further from the truth though, most are libs.
A welcome sign, but let’s not forget that most Americans think socialism is “when the government does stuff”
In a certain way, isn’t it a useful device to say to an average liberal or conservative that roads, schools, fire departments, sewers etc. are a form of socialism to try to convince them that socialism is good? I thought that it would be a good argument, but I’m still pretty ignorant about this stuff.
yeah based on my conversation with usians its just people who think denmark is socialist
very true, but it makes it a lot easier to talk to them about the real stuff. ppl don’t immediately snap at hearing the Deactivation Phrase nearly as much anymore.
Deactivation Phrase?
“socialism” - used to tap into the red scare programming deep in the ancient reptilian brain much more (“communism” still does, on average)
Ah gotcha.
Maybe it’s because the country’s economic resources are being directed at making chat bots that use so much power they are raising energy costs when housing affordability is about as bad as it’s ever been and there are tent cities in every city.
the worse things get the more people will be willing to consider alternatives
-marcks
I wish socialist propaganda was as much of a “problem” in the West as the political far right claim it is. I can never get any when I want some, one wonders how these right wingnuts are getting theirs.
I don’t think I’ve ever in my life seen socialist propaganda, this fucked to death country is wall to wall individualism/market/etc bullshit propaganda. The fact that any of us have become socialists in spite of this environment is its own proof of how absolutely fucked everything is. We’re forced to the truth despite living surrounded by nothing but lies
Well, I’ve seen, like, old Soviet posters and such, but contemporary socialist propaganda, made here on Turtle Island or made by someone else and intended to wind up in the Anglosphere, no, can’t say I’ve seen any. What little pro communist stuff I’ve seen, I’m not certain qualifies as “propaganda”, it’s often rather high level theory concepts and/or very self critical and nuanced and “all sides”. Western takes on historical socialism are so bad that what I tend to consider “the best I can really expect” is the sort of stuff that at least acknowledges the role the Soviets played in defeating the Nazis and that the West was wrong to use them as a battering ram against Germany and then screw them over immediately afterwards. Like, at this point I’m happy for people here to say pretty much anything that at least acknowledges communists aren’t ontologically evil and the USSR wasn’t a foreign theocracy they were battling in a Crusade.
He’s really gonna say this like this capitalist country hasn’t had its foot up my ass for my entire life, huh.
Average Americans honestly don’t realize that many nations and people outside of the US suffer “misery and oppression” directly as a result of capitalism imperialism. They either literally don’t know (miseducation, no education) and/or don’t value other lives equally (racism, western chauvinism). Identifying the obvious contradiction in this '“just and moral capitalism” is what leads people to socialism and other beliefs. Given proper education and basic morals, it’s impossible to support capitalism.
90% of that 62% favorable think “socialism” means free healthcare and other social democrat policies.
Which short of China being overthrown and cut up into pieces to be devoured by the west for massive profits will never happen at this late stage of capitalism because the profits have fallen too much, there’s nowhere else to expand, and the greed and cockiness of today’s bourgeoisie is much higher than those who last century in fear gave concessions against the USSR.
It’s perhaps a step but it’s no guarantee it won’t just be recuperated to mean those social democratic policies, it in effect one could argue already has been recuperated. Once even 30% of the population say they support Marxism I’ll be a little more optimistic but I’m not holding my breath for the imperial core in the next decade seeing that.
But even this is going to get the bourgeoisie frothing at the uppity proles for DARING to dream they deserve healthcare, affordable education, a reasonable retirement age, reasonable prices on housing, food, etc.
Together we can build Red Pac Man
Half these people have natsoc in mind when voting in favor
