According to a Valve Engineer, the Steam Machine specs outclass the most common PC configurations. The company relied on its own hardware surveys to choose the system’s components. Even as an entry-level option, Valve claims that 4K/60 fps performance is realistic, despite a memory-limited GPU.
  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    1 天前

    But can’t run them at 8k with every option turned up to Ultra therefore the Steam Machine is garbage and the game engines are unoptimized and the developers are lazy. /s

  • filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    2 天前

    To be honest, I am a bit disappointed in the machine, its specs are very underwhelming and not exactly future proof.

    I really like the idea of Steam machines and I hope they are successful though.

    • faintwhenfree@lemmus.orgEnglish
      71·
      2 天前

      They have to find a price/performance ratio that most users would be satisfied with, it’s a difficult task and some one will always be left out. It’s not future proof for sure, but I am sure it will be a banger value in present(whenever it launches).

      • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
        1·
        1 天前

        and starting with this model leaves room for a “steam machine pro” for people that want more, just like playstation has done

        … and also perhaps a “steam machine lite” for people that just want a little bit of retro/2d gaming on their tv

      • filister@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 天前

        The point is that 4K TV is a lot more prevalent than 4K monitors and my understanding is that this device is targeting exactly the former audience. And this device will struggle with more demanding titles big time even with frame gen and FSR.

        Again I am really hoping I am wrong here as we need more competition in the console segment. And it would be great for Linux compatibility and force more studios to create Linux ports and will be great for the overall compatibility.

    • Drigo@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      51·
      2 天前

      It’s not made for the high end user, and as the article said, it’s better than 70%. Most people play on old hardware. It’s a perfect fit for those people

  • Diplomjodler@feddit.orgEnglish
    1221·
    3 天前

    People often aren’t aware that the average PC gamer doesn’t have a 5090. The majority of people are using pretty outdated hardware. And Steam are certainly in a position to know that because of the Steam survey.

    • coyootje@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      3 天前

      I’m one of them, my Cpu and motherboard are both almost 10 years old. I updated most other parts but don’t want to mess around with those core parts in fear of damaging something.

      At the moment I’m either considering finally making the jump to a new case, motherboard and Cpu with the parts I replaced over the years or I will buy a steam machine.

      • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        3 天前

        Same. I’m beating a 1080 within an inch of its life at this point. Some times, the system needs a hard reboot and BIOS just “forgets” that bootable devices are installed. It’s time, and that Steam Machine is looking really nice.

      • vrek@programming.devEnglish
        3·
        3 天前

        Cpu could be dangerous if you are not careful but video card is easy. Open case, 1-3 screws depending on old and new card, pull out, push in new card.

        That said I am running a 970 so…

        • coyootje@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          3 天前

          Yeah, that’s why I replaced the video card already. From what I’ve seen, the CPU is also doable if you’re careful but definitely a lot more fragile.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 天前

      Nvidia is not helping, either. What they’re charging now is bonkers.

      …Intel is trying at least. Battlemage is good, it’s just inexplicably not selling well. I’d have jumped on it a heartbeat if they made a bigger card.

      • Cort@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 天前

        I think Intel’s issue is that they’re focusing on the low end. Anyone with a 3060 or better would see the b580 as a lateral move at best, or more likely a downgrade. A b770 card would probably have gotten me to upgrade as long as they weren’t stingy with the ram.

        • AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 天前

          They focus on the low end, but a lot of people who only want low end GPUs care about Minecraft, and their OpenGL performance is abysmal, so Minecraft runs like molasses. If you play a lot of Minecraft, Nvidia’s cards manage to be much better value. There’s no reason why this couldn’t be fixed if they’re willing to invest in writing native OpenGL drivers instead of going through a compatibility player or mitigated if they invested more in making the compatibility layer faster, but that would mean deciding they’re losing a lot of sales this way, as it wouldn’t be cheap.

        • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 天前

          …Yeah.

          Ironically, they seemed to figure ‘low end’ is where the sales are at. Yet my guess is most ‘low end’ buyers pick Nvidia by default, and folks who are upgrading from anything aim higher than a B580.

          I would’ve killed for a 512-bit Arc card (other than the unobtanium datacenter GPUs), but that’s a fever dream for now…

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      1·
      2 天前

      Still on a 1060. If I want to play something vaguely impressive looking, I’ll use my PS5.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      3 天前

      I have two “gaming” PCs. One with a 1070ti and the other with a 1080ti. For fancy graphics games, I rely on GeForce Now.

      • CookieOfFortune@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        3 天前

        I’ve got a 1080ti and it still run games just fine. I only play at 1080p resolution but my old eyes can’t tell the difference anyways.

        • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          3 天前

          That’s the thing, 1080p monitors are very common…maybe the most common. If that’s your resolution, a 1080ti will take care of you just fine. If I can keep my 1080ti’s fans from dying, I will probably use that card for another 5 years.

  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
    28·
    3 天前

    I believe it. Lots of laptops and 1650s out there.

    I don’t believe it does 4k/60 on current gen games.

  • aaronhooper@retrolemmy.comEnglish
    9·
    3 天前

    I would be very surprised if “all games” includes titles like rainbow 6 siege and others with strict/unsupported anticheat

    • jeff 👨‍💻@programming.devEnglish
      22·
      3 天前

      You can install Windows on it and should be able to play those games.

      They are obviously saying that their hardware is powerful enough to play all games; not that all games support their choice of OS.

    • Baggie@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      2 天前

      Possibly not, crysis is single thread bound due to it being a 32 bit application. You can technically run it as x64 but that’s cheating.

      • usrtrv@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        2 天前

        What? 32bit has nothing to do with how many threads it can use. Just how much memory it can address.

        • Baggie@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          8 小时前

          Actually you’re right, I think I got my wires crossed on that one, or just old misinformation from back then. 32 bit isn’t exclusively single thread, but more games were built as single or limited amounts of threads back then. Might need to brush up on that.

          EDIT: Yeah so Crysis apparently was entirely single thread for most/all functions, to this day people occasionally still have problems running it because of that, maxing out a single CPU core pretty hard. Might have to try it out at some point, see what it does to my rig.

          Edit 2: So it’s difficult to exactly say, but it looks like a lot of CPUs didn’t support multithreading back in the day, and it was assumed that future CPUs would have higher clock speeds over multithreading capacity. I guess that was the motivation, that or they just need to wrap up development and the benefits of multithreading weren’t as important at the time.

  • network_switch@lemmy.mlEnglish
    73·
    3 天前

    What may end up being the best selling console of all time is the first Switch which was maybe about a quarter docker as powerful as a PS4. This will be fine. It’s about as powerful as a PS5. It’s a strong minipc. Person plays FFVII Rebirth and then try to pickup the game dev hobby with Godot. It’s on Steam and Flathub. Play Cyberpunk and then open up Ardour for their music aspirations

    • jacksilver@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 天前

      I mean a big difference there is that the switch can only play games that run on it. There are going to be games that don’t run on the steam machine (or at least we’ll), just as there aren’t games that run on the steamdeck.

      I think it will still do well, but that’s a big difference between the switches approach to low power vs the steam machine.

    • oranges_in_my_a55@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      2 天前

      Man, I see kids everywhere with those stick hoops lately. It’s got to be bad for their brains, right? I read an article in the paper… It’s like they lose the power to innovate because they’re staring at the stick hoop all day.

    • Harvey656@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      3 天前

      According to a Valve Engineer, the Steam Machine specs outclass the most common PC configurations.

      That’s the first sentence. As far as “clickbat” goes, this is barely one if at all.

      • carrylex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        321·
        3 天前

        Games with Kernel Level Anti Cheat won’t run on Linux.

        It’s also quite funny what is defined as a PC? Steamdecks and Laptops are also in this category yet they are not really comparable to normal “PCs” aka Workstations/Desktop computers (nobody calls a smartphone a PC). You know something the Steam Machine targets.

        Just post the original video instead of posting such a trash article with 0 research.

        Update: Looks like you guys also call smartphones PCs so I clarified point 2.

        • Harvey656@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13·
          3 天前

          Steamdecks and Laptops are not really PCs

          Wut. Did you huff the stupid juice before commenting? PC stands for personal computer. Steamdeck has a full Linux environment by default and laptop can be anything (most of the time.)

          You can run servers, command line/console, play games, edit videos, make music, control smart home devices and way more. In what way, are these not PC’s?

        • AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          2 天前

          Its a pc you can still install windows if you so choose, just because it ships with linux doesnt mean thats the only thing it will run…

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 天前

      Notebookcheck is an excellent source.

      Look at how meticulous their laptop reviews are: they’re so German it hurts. And they’re one of the only ‘oldschool’ written hardware reviewers that’s still alive.

  • misk@piefed.socialEnglish
    615·
    3 天前

    Can play all games*

    * if you install Windows but that concerns only the most popular games

    • NoWay@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      3 天前

      Only reason I can’t play certain games is the developers want kernal level anti cheat. Luckily even Microsoft is working on getting rid of that.

      • misk@piefed.socialEnglish
        17·
        3 天前

        Why would a customer care who’s responsible. Valve marketing is misleading. If a company said their headphones work with all phones but they were using a 3.5mm jack who would be responsible?

        • PhAzE@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          2 天前

          Except its not misleading, as they’ve straight up said you are free to install any OS you want without restriction. So its true, you can play any game on it if you want.