Communists critically support Russia insofar as they oppose western imperialism and ally with socialist countries and the global south. Communists support popular leaders like Xi Jinping, and the PRC in general, because of the tremendous strides they’ve made in uplifting the working classes in their countries. Not sure what you’re referring to here by saying “genocide denial.”
The PRC has a dictator that has written himself into the country’s constitution and has a profound level of abject poverty, with 20% of the population living on less than $7/day. It is better than it was in the 70s, though, back when they were actually communist. Now they have a massive private sector. Weird that the two changes line up, right?
Its so crazy to see liberals insist that Uyghur Genocide is a big problem that requires US military intervention but the Israeli Very Legal And Good Police Action Against Hamas For October 7th is going great and actually Palestinians should be thanking the IDF for all their hard work.
Like, what even is your definition of genocide anymore? I’ve seen liberals insist that the Uyghurs are being brutalized by a Chinese government building schools that teach Mandarian in the rural corners of Xinjiang. I’ve seen liberals insist a Taiwanese BDSM porn was proof that China’s police state was in violation of a dozen different treaties and conventions. I’ve seen Tibetian life expectancy double over the last 40 years and then received an earful about how the Tibetian ethnic government was doing terrorism by importing modern Chinese TVs, Radios, and Computers with Mandarian language broadcasts into the region.
Meanwhile, you’ve got liberals insisting Greta Thunberg is the antichrist when she tries to deliver baby formula to the Gaza shoreline.
Absolute obliteration of the western understanding of the term. Israelis tortured an orthopedic surgeon to death and there’s absolutely no news coverage of it. Bolsonaro butchers native people in Brazil so he can clear cut their rainforests and the liberals still back him. The Philippines is just an endless string of police actions against union organizers and nobody cares. But Kenya gets a new hospital and that’s Chinese genocide in West Africa.
I didn’t say we needed to invade China, but good to see your response to genocide is whataboutism, that good old Russian misinformation tactic seems to be alive and well
fuck Israel, fuck Hamas, fuck the Arab league, and fuck the IDF.
if they were socialist then the workers would own the means of production
Google “China Negative List Foreign Investment”. You might learn something about how Chinese federal laws guarantee domestic ownership of property and titles and understand why so much of the wealth generated within China remains within the Chinese working class.
They’re both just capitalist oligarchies with dictators
Is there a country in exist that you believe is Actually Existing Socialism, or are you going to shove your fingers in your ears and insist SEOs aren’t real, state central planning isn’t happening, democratic elections don’t count, and Marx didn’t say anything about the socialist transition in his writings.
I mean, Cuba had a bloody history and some rough years because of the US fucking them over, but they seem to be doing better now. I respect Cuba 1000x more than China. Unfortunately, they’re still a one-party state without free and fair elections. The Nordic model leads to much better outcomes, though that’s a mixed economy and I know you tankies fucking hate that.
Cuba has fair elections, and maintains extremely close ties with China out of solidarity. China has been providing solar panels and other means by which to help alleviate Cuba’s energy crisis right now.
The Nordic Model relies on imperialism to function. The social safety nets are funded by plundering the global south, and control of industry is kept in the hands of capitalists. They are less democratic than countries like Cuba and China, and serve as plunderers of the global south, unlike Cuba and China.
As such, the Nordic countries are declining alongside the general decay in western imperialism, while socialist countries like Cuba and China are rapidly improving.
China is socialist, public ownership is the principle aspect of its economy and controls the commanding heights of industry. Even if you’re (wrongly) defining socialism as cooperative ownership, the PRC has one of the largest cooperative sectors in the world, though it’s subservient to their public sector. Huawei is an example of a cooperative. They have real elections and real democracy.
Russia is a capitalist country, yes. It’s supported insofar as they align themselved with socialist countries and the global south, as well as having increasing numbers of those supportive of returning to socialism.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves. https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
Hello I am from turkey and there is a constant uygur propaganda here. Uygurs are turks so turkish nationalists always say that “palestine is not that important, our turkish brothers are being genocided. You traitors are always side with arabs and never with turks”
Actually most of the uyghurs are jihadist and some of them have joined isis at syria. At the past jihadist uyghurs were driving their cars onto chinese people to kill them. I had twitter evidence videos about it but i closed my accounts.
most of these are jihadist nevertheless if they are wahabi-aligned or not. There is a new strong movement among yough turkish people called “secular nationalists”. they ate mostly racist, kemalist and self identified seculars, anti arabisc people. Because to them arab = islam.
Any uyghur is more muslim and jihadist than any turkish jihadist but they like to says uygurs are important palestinians are not.
As an atheist since 2017 pro-kurdistan socialist turk this is a propaganda I am NOT falling for.
Any uyghur is more muslim and jihadist than any turkish jihadis
Perhaps, of the Uyghurs you’ve met, this is true, but how many native-Xinjiang Uyghurs have you met? This sounds like a gross over-generalization. I’m sure that some of them are as atheist as you, me, and the CPC.
Xi Jinping is a popularly supported and democratically elected leader. China has eliminated absolute poverty, and year over year is making rapid strides in improving living conditions across the board thanks to their socialist system. They never stopped being a socialist country led by communists, they pivoted strategy.
In the People’s Republic of China, under Mao and later the Gang of Four, growth was overall positive but was unstable. The centrally planned economy had brought great benefits in many areas, but because the productive forces themselves were underdeveloped, economic growth wasn’t steady. There began to be discussion and division in the party, until Deng Xiapoing’s faction pushing for Reform and Opening Up won out, and growth was stabilized:
Deng’s plan was to introduce market reforms, localized around Special Economic Zones, while maintaining full control over the principle aspects of the economy. Limited private capital would be introduced, especially by luring in foreign investors, such as the US, pivoting from more isolationist positions into one fully immersed in the global marketplace. As the small and medium firms grow into large firms, the state exerts more control and subsumes them more into the public sector. This was a gamble, but unlike what happened to the USSR, this was done in a controlled manner that ended up not undermining the socialist system overall.
China’s rapidly improving productive forces and cheap labor ended up being an irresistable match for US financial capital, even though the CPC maintained full sovereignty. This is in stark contrast to how the global north traditionally acts imperialistically, because it relies on financial and millitant dominance of the global south. This is why there is a “love/hate” relationship between the US Empire and PRC, the US wants more freedom for capital movement while the CPC is maintaining dominance.
Fast-forward to today, and the benefits of the CPC’s gamble are paying off. The US Empire is de-industrializing, while China is a productive super-power. The CPC has managed to maintain full control, and while there are neoliberals in China pushing for more liberalization now, the path to exerting more socialization is also open, and the economy is still socialist. It is the job of the CPC to continue building up the productive forces, while gradually winning back more of the benefits the working class enjoyed under the previous era, developing to higher and higher stages of socialism.
And no, China is not commiting genocide. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this. Even with all of the real complexities, though, nothing material measures up to claims of genocide.
Xi Jinping is a popularly supported and democratically elected leader
Lol
Anyway, that’s a lot of words to say they lifted urban populations out of poverty by embracing market economics while ignoring the existence of rural populations.
I literally linked The Metamphosis of Yuangudui, a formerly extremely poor rural village. The Poverty Eradication Program was focused on the rural areas. They use controlled markets to govern the medium and small firms while relying on massive state owned enterprises to form the backbone of their economy, which has allowed them to directly uplift those in rural areas left behind by the rapid advances of urban industrialization.
Some of the things about the Uyghur genocide are lie btw. Like “china has gulags for uyghurs”. China has education camps for people indeed but it is being solely for uyghurs is a blantant lie told by the media.
Any crime that is against humanity is unacceptable. I am telling this to mean “not everything you see objectively, without its propganada value is true” and not to mean "uygur genocide is good i am a nazi asshole turkophobic/uyghurphobic ".
Communists critically support Russia insofar as they oppose western imperialism and ally with socialist countries and the global south. Communists support popular leaders like Xi Jinping, and the PRC in general, because of the tremendous strides they’ve made in uplifting the working classes in their countries. Not sure what you’re referring to here by saying “genocide denial.”
The PRC has a dictator that has written himself into the country’s constitution and has a profound level of abject poverty, with 20% of the population living on less than $7/day. It is better than it was in the 70s, though, back when they were actually communist. Now they have a massive private sector. Weird that the two changes line up, right?
The Uyghurs, btw.
Its so crazy to see liberals insist that Uyghur Genocide is a big problem that requires US military intervention but the Israeli Very Legal And Good Police Action Against Hamas For October 7th is going great and actually Palestinians should be thanking the IDF for all their hard work.
Like, what even is your definition of genocide anymore? I’ve seen liberals insist that the Uyghurs are being brutalized by a Chinese government building schools that teach Mandarian in the rural corners of Xinjiang. I’ve seen liberals insist a Taiwanese BDSM porn was proof that China’s police state was in violation of a dozen different treaties and conventions. I’ve seen Tibetian life expectancy double over the last 40 years and then received an earful about how the Tibetian ethnic government was doing terrorism by importing modern Chinese TVs, Radios, and Computers with Mandarian language broadcasts into the region.
Meanwhile, you’ve got liberals insisting Greta Thunberg is the antichrist when she tries to deliver baby formula to the Gaza shoreline.
Absolute obliteration of the western understanding of the term. Israelis tortured an orthopedic surgeon to death and there’s absolutely no news coverage of it. Bolsonaro butchers native people in Brazil so he can clear cut their rainforests and the liberals still back him. The Philippines is just an endless string of police actions against union organizers and nobody cares. But Kenya gets a new hospital and that’s Chinese genocide in West Africa.
You’re repeating liberal narratives and attacking socialist democracies, so it’s understandable that you’re being identified as a liberal.
China and Russia aren’t socialist, if they were socialist then the workers would own the means of production.
They’re both just capitalist oligarchies with dictators who disappear their enemies and fake elections.
Google “China Negative List Foreign Investment”. You might learn something about how Chinese federal laws guarantee domestic ownership of property and titles and understand why so much of the wealth generated within China remains within the Chinese working class.
Is there a country in exist that you believe is Actually Existing Socialism, or are you going to shove your fingers in your ears and insist SEOs aren’t real, state central planning isn’t happening, democratic elections don’t count, and Marx didn’t say anything about the socialist transition in his writings.
I mean, Cuba had a bloody history and some rough years because of the US fucking them over, but they seem to be doing better now. I respect Cuba 1000x more than China. Unfortunately, they’re still a one-party state without free and fair elections. The Nordic model leads to much better outcomes, though that’s a mixed economy and I know you tankies fucking hate that.
I’m a Nordic Model to Meidner Plan kinda guy.
Cuba has fair elections, and maintains extremely close ties with China out of solidarity. China has been providing solar panels and other means by which to help alleviate Cuba’s energy crisis right now.
The Nordic Model relies on imperialism to function. The social safety nets are funded by plundering the global south, and control of industry is kept in the hands of capitalists. They are less democratic than countries like Cuba and China, and serve as plunderers of the global south, unlike Cuba and China.
As such, the Nordic countries are declining alongside the general decay in western imperialism, while socialist countries like Cuba and China are rapidly improving.
China is socialist, public ownership is the principle aspect of its economy and controls the commanding heights of industry. Even if you’re (wrongly) defining socialism as cooperative ownership, the PRC has one of the largest cooperative sectors in the world, though it’s subservient to their public sector. Huawei is an example of a cooperative. They have real elections and real democracy.
Russia is a capitalist country, yes. It’s supported insofar as they align themselved with socialist countries and the global south, as well as having increasing numbers of those supportive of returning to socialism.
Okay, but how can I be racist if I hate everyone in the Middle East, huh? Huh?!
I don’t hate everyone in the middle east, I hate warmongers all over the globe.
Are you saying everyone in the middle east is part of these organizations dedicated to genocide? Pretty fuckin’ racist, man.
btw, previously:
Hello I am from turkey and there is a constant uygur propaganda here. Uygurs are turks so turkish nationalists always say that “palestine is not that important, our turkish brothers are being genocided. You traitors are always side with arabs and never with turks”
Actually most of the uyghurs are jihadist and some of them have joined isis at syria. At the past jihadist uyghurs were driving their cars onto chinese people to kill them. I had twitter evidence videos about it but i closed my accounts.
Some of them certainly are Wahabi-aligned jihadists. If most in Syria are, that’s news to me, but I’m sure that few in China are.
most of these are jihadist nevertheless if they are wahabi-aligned or not. There is a new strong movement among yough turkish people called “secular nationalists”. they ate mostly racist, kemalist and self identified seculars, anti arabisc people. Because to them arab = islam.
Any uyghur is more muslim and jihadist than any turkish jihadist but they like to says uygurs are important palestinians are not.
As an atheist since 2017 pro-kurdistan socialist turk this is a propaganda I am NOT falling for.
Perhaps, of the Uyghurs you’ve met, this is true, but how many native-Xinjiang Uyghurs have you met? This sounds like a gross over-generalization. I’m sure that some of them are as atheist as you, me, and the CPC.
yea right
Xi Jinping is a popularly supported and democratically elected leader. China has eliminated absolute poverty, and year over year is making rapid strides in improving living conditions across the board thanks to their socialist system. They never stopped being a socialist country led by communists, they pivoted strategy.
In the People’s Republic of China, under Mao and later the Gang of Four, growth was overall positive but was unstable. The centrally planned economy had brought great benefits in many areas, but because the productive forces themselves were underdeveloped, economic growth wasn’t steady. There began to be discussion and division in the party, until Deng Xiapoing’s faction pushing for Reform and Opening Up won out, and growth was stabilized:
Deng’s plan was to introduce market reforms, localized around Special Economic Zones, while maintaining full control over the principle aspects of the economy. Limited private capital would be introduced, especially by luring in foreign investors, such as the US, pivoting from more isolationist positions into one fully immersed in the global marketplace. As the small and medium firms grow into large firms, the state exerts more control and subsumes them more into the public sector. This was a gamble, but unlike what happened to the USSR, this was done in a controlled manner that ended up not undermining the socialist system overall.
China’s rapidly improving productive forces and cheap labor ended up being an irresistable match for US financial capital, even though the CPC maintained full sovereignty. This is in stark contrast to how the global north traditionally acts imperialistically, because it relies on financial and millitant dominance of the global south. This is why there is a “love/hate” relationship between the US Empire and PRC, the US wants more freedom for capital movement while the CPC is maintaining dominance.
Fast-forward to today, and the benefits of the CPC’s gamble are paying off. The US Empire is de-industrializing, while China is a productive super-power. The CPC has managed to maintain full control, and while there are neoliberals in China pushing for more liberalization now, the path to exerting more socialization is also open, and the economy is still socialist. It is the job of the CPC to continue building up the productive forces, while gradually winning back more of the benefits the working class enjoyed under the previous era, developing to higher and higher stages of socialism.
And no, China is not commiting genocide. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this. Even with all of the real complexities, though, nothing material measures up to claims of genocide.
Lol
Anyway, that’s a lot of words to say they lifted urban populations out of poverty by embracing market economics while ignoring the existence of rural populations.
I literally linked The Metamphosis of Yuangudui, a formerly extremely poor rural village. The Poverty Eradication Program was focused on the rural areas. They use controlled markets to govern the medium and small firms while relying on massive state owned enterprises to form the backbone of their economy, which has allowed them to directly uplift those in rural areas left behind by the rapid advances of urban industrialization.
Some of the things about the Uyghur genocide are lie btw. Like “china has gulags for uyghurs”. China has education camps for people indeed but it is being solely for uyghurs is a blantant lie told by the media.
Any crime that is against humanity is unacceptable. I am telling this to mean “not everything you see objectively, without its propganada value is true” and not to mean "uygur genocide is good i am a nazi asshole turkophobic/uyghurphobic ".