I have read Wage, Labor and Capital in its entirety, as well as Value, Price, and Profit. Both are better than the manifesto, which I’ve also read. His critique of Gotha was also interesting. I think Engels was honestly much more interesting than Marx, though Eugen Dühring was more practical (as demonstrated by the success of SocDems and the Nordic model, while “Marxism” never went anywhere in a practical sense.

China saw a 60% increase in billionaires between 2020 and 2021 alone. It fell since then but it’s still higher than it was pre-pandemic, and WAY higher than it was in the '70s before China went free market.

The KPD literally endorsed Hitler

Cuba does not have free and fair elections according to every NGO watchdog, and it sounds like you don’t know what the Meidner plan was

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs… Here’s a list of people that apparently have a LOT of needs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth

Well, you linked a twitter thread that links an OpEd where a wealthy Chinese national says “China for sure is just fine I promise, anyone who says it isn’t is a liar”, so you’ve GOTTA be right.

Your illiteracy isn’t my responsibility

I mean, Cuba had a bloody history and some rough years because of the US fucking them over, but they seem to be doing better now. I respect Cuba 1000x more than China. Unfortunately, they’re still a one-party state without free and fair elections. The Nordic model leads to much better outcomes, though that’s a mixed economy and I know you tankies fucking hate that.

I’m a Nordic Model to Meidner Plan kinda guy.

I don’t hate everyone in the middle east, I hate warmongers all over the globe.

Are you saying everyone in the middle east is part of these organizations dedicated to genocide? Pretty fuckin’ racist, man.

Chinese citizens will only criticize their government when they’re 100% sure it’ll never get back to the government, and that trust is extremely difficult to achieve because they are absolutely terrified of their government’s ability to influence even their closest friends and family.

If you honestly believe there’s no public dissent because everyone just loves their oligarchs so much… I don’t know what to say. That’s just fully stupid.

I gave you the effort you were worth 🤷

I am so shocked you claim the person saying the thing you don’t like is a capitalist pig-dog liar

I gave you the effort I thought you deserved 👍

Since you asked for concise information, here are the key sources that provide evidence for the situation in Xinjiang:

1. Intergovernmental & Governmental Reports

• UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) Assessment (2022): OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China. This report concluded that the violations “may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.”
• U.S. Department of State Reports: Annual reports on human rights and religious freedom, which have formally declared China’s actions as genocide and crimes against humanity since 2021.
• Parliaments and Government Bodies: Formal declarations or non-binding motions passed by the parliaments of several countries (including the UK, Canada, France, and others) recognizing the situation as genocide or a serious risk of genocide.

2. Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs)

• Amnesty International: Major reports, such as “Like We Were Enemies in a War”: China’s Mass Internment, Torture, and Persecution of Muslims in Xinjiang (2021), based on first-hand survivor testimonies, satellite imagery, and data analysis.
• Human Rights Watch (HRW): Numerous reports and updates documenting violations, including arbitrary detention and cultural persecution.
• United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) Reports: Reports like “To Make Us Slowly Disappear”: The Chinese Government’s Assault on the Uyghurs analyzing evidence against the legal standard for crimes against humanity.

3. Academic & Investigative Research

• Dr. Adrian Zenz’s Work: Extensive research and publications, often based on leaked Chinese government documents, population statistics, and policy papers, which detail the forced sterilization and birth control campaign.
• Associated Press (AP) Investigations: Reports based on government statistics and interviews with ex-detainees and family members, particularly covering forced birth control and sterilization.
• Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI): Reports based on satellite imagery and open-source intelligence that have mapped the extensive network of detention and re-education facilities, as well as forced labor transfers.

4. Primary Evidence

• Survivor/Witness Testimony: Accounts from former detainees, camp instructors, and Uyghurs in exile detailing torture, rape, political indoctrination, and forced separation from families.
• Leaked Official Documents: Includes files known as the “China Cables,” the “Karakax List,” and the “Xinjiang Police Files,” which provide internal policy directives and detailed mechanisms of the mass detention system.
• Satellite Imagery: Used to corroborate the existence, size, and expansion of the detention and re-education facilities. Would you like a link to a specific report, such as the UN OHCHR assessment?

Oh, I have. What’s really fun is talking to Chinese expats who no longer fear government reprisal. I did a lot of interviews as part of a thesis on the concept of a social panopticon and panoptic influence.

China and Russia aren’t socialist, if they were socialist then the workers would own the means of production.

They’re both just capitalist oligarchies with dictators who disappear their enemies and fake elections.

Evidence suggesting a Uyghur genocide in China’s Xinjiang region comes from several documented sources and is frequently characterized as crimes against humanity by international bodies and governments. ​The evidence includes: ​Mass Detention: Reports of over one million Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims arbitrarily detained in a vast network of internment camps and prisons since 2017. ​Survivor Testimony: Former detainees report being subjected to abuse, torture, sexual violence (including alleged rape and gang rape), indoctrination, and harsh conditions. ​Forced Population Control: Evidence of a systemic campaign to drastically reduce birth rates among Uyghurs. ​This includes reports of forced sterilizations, forced contraception, and forced abortions. Statistics show a steep decline in birth rates in predominantly Uyghur regions. ​Forced Labor: Accounts detail the forced transfer of detainees from camps into factory work, a system that extends throughout Xinjiang and into other provinces. ​Cultural and Religious Persecution: Systematic efforts to destroy Uyghur cultural heritage. ​This involves the destruction or damage of mosques and religious sites, and the forced separation of hundreds of thousands of Uyghur children from their families into state-run boarding schools. ​Mass Surveillance: The Chinese government uses sophisticated technology and in-person monitoring (like mandatory “homestays” by Han Chinese citizens) to control and monitor the Uyghur population. ​Official Documents and Satellite Imagery: Leaked Chinese government documents, known as the “Xinjiang Police Files,” and satellite imagery of detention facilities and destroyed cultural sites are used to corroborate survivor and researcher reports. ​International Classification ​Genocide: The United States and the parliaments of several countries (including Canada, the UK, France, and others) have formally recognized the situation as genocide and/or crimes against humanity. The core legal argument is the “measures intended to prevent births within the group” and other acts committed with the alleged intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part. ​Crimes Against Humanity: A 2022 assessment by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights concluded that the “serious human rights violations” in Xinjiang “may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.” Amnesty International has also made a similar finding. ​The Chinese government vehemently denies all accusations, asserting that the facilities are vocational training centers and that their policies are necessary for counter-terrorism and poverty alleviation. ​Would you like to know more about the legal definition of genocide under international law?

Me when I get so mad that someone doesn’t like Xi Jinping that I prolapse

• I’m not a liberal, I’m a democratic socialist
• I didn’t say we needed to invade China, but good to see your response to genocide is whataboutism, that good old Russian misinformation tactic seems to be alive and well
• fuck Israel, fuck Hamas, fuck the Arab league, and fuck the IDF.

Lmao, the KPD were Stalinist and endorsed then allied with Hitler. Just ask Ernst Thalmann.

Gotta love tankie cope graphs. “approval rating” in a country where dissent is criminal? Seems legit.