Some context: This woman was trying to prohibit farmers from equipping their cows with bells, because she felt that they made too much noise. The population in this rural and traditional village did not like that, as they disliked people interfering with their traditions (especially since she was no swiss citizen). Some months later, she asked for naturalization, which was promptly denied by the popular vote in the village.
The bells were measured and found to Be loud enough to damage the cows hearing.
If I recall correctly the bells right at like 100db which is like a concert or a lawnmower.
I think it’s kinda cruel to the cows but I also get where it’s crazy to show up, tell everyone how to shit and then expect to be invited into the community for it.
I get so tired of the “yes, this appears to be a historical atrocity people have deliberately ignored, but mentioning it now is rude” framing.
Slapping “we ruined her ability to interface normally with the bureaucracy as a punishment” on top is some reactionary bullshit I’d like to think the anti-Trump crowd would be above.
There’s no middle ground between citizenship and non-citizenship. And dangling threat of denied legal residency as a form of censorship is exactly the kind of fascist shit we’re seeing in Trump’s America.
Which denies her a host of legal protections within the community, heaps additional bureaucratic burdens in renewing non-citizen residency papers, and exposes her to summary deportation on the whims of state security.
I fail to see the censorship
Threatening to deny someone citizenship based on their expressed political views is textbook censorship.
Y’all can read this whichever way makes you happiest…
But one side is definitely wrong about this, and as a general rule the one advocating for using the power of the state to punish mere annoyance isn’t on the right side of history.
I could see an argument for the noise being detrimental to the cows and her trying to pick her battles in a Swiss cattle farming town. I guess she still didn’t hit the mark.
Its a proven fact that cow bells cause hearing loss in cows. But we do a lot worse stuff to animals, so IDK. Does the reduced chance of getting mauled by a predator make the hearing damage worth it?
It depends on your municipality. In some they have local ballots where every candidate has to be approved.
If they are denied because of racist (or similar) reasons, they can appeal the decision to a court. I believe the cow-bell-lady did that, but i dont remember the outcome.
Who among us hasn’t spent our time inefficiently on something we care about? If you laser focus on only the most important thing, you’ll go (more) nuts.
I think some people feel guilty if their day isn’t packed to the brim with productivity, I feel so lucky that I don’t feel that way, on the other hand I’m kind of a bum. Live and let live.
Some context: This woman was trying to prohibit farmers from equipping their cows with bells, because she felt that they made too much noise. The population in this rural and traditional village did not like that, as they disliked people interfering with their traditions (especially since she was no swiss citizen). Some months later, she asked for naturalization, which was promptly denied by the popular vote in the village.
The bells were measured and found to Be loud enough to damage the cows hearing.
If I recall correctly the bells right at like 100db which is like a concert or a lawnmower.
I think it’s kinda cruel to the cows but I also get where it’s crazy to show up, tell everyone how to shit and then expect to be invited into the community for it.
I get so tired of the “yes, this appears to be a historical atrocity people have deliberately ignored, but mentioning it now is rude” framing.
Slapping “we ruined her ability to interface normally with the bureaucracy as a punishment” on top is some reactionary bullshit I’d like to think the anti-Trump crowd would be above.
But nope… fascism is just a reflex for people.
I feel like you may be conflating my understanding of her non-acceptance into the community with being ok with animal cruelty.
I’m not and I don’t think the cows should wear the bells.
I just think that as an outsider challenging deeply held cultural beliefs she shouldn’t have expected to be welcomed as a citizen of that community.
It was an extremely unrealistic expectation to have.
Of course not. Keep people of different beliefs legally segregated and treat anyone in foreign soil as a second class human.
Otherwise, you might be annoyed from time to time.
There is a middle ground and you’re deliberately not seeing it.
If you demand change of others, you will be met with resentment.
If you slowly convince others of change, you can build friends and allies and grow a movement
There’s no middle ground between citizenship and non-citizenship. And dangling threat of denied legal residency as a form of censorship is exactly the kind of fascist shit we’re seeing in Trump’s America.
But she wasn’t denied legal residency, she was denied citizenship. And you don’t need citizenship to speak, so I fail to see the censorship.
Which denies her a host of legal protections within the community, heaps additional bureaucratic burdens in renewing non-citizen residency papers, and exposes her to summary deportation on the whims of state security.
Threatening to deny someone citizenship based on their expressed political views is textbook censorship.
-“It’s Fascism!”
Says the Tankie.
Y’all can read this whichever way makes you happiest…
But one side is definitely wrong about this, and as a general rule the one advocating for using the power of the state to punish mere annoyance isn’t on the right side of history.
“Everything I don’t like is fascism”
Continues with a meme and instead of adressing the question says “in general whhen people do…”
Lol
Okay buddy lib
You forgot to change back from your sock puppet account
So she didn’t object to killing cows? The problem was the bell making noise? Ok, denial justified.
I could see an argument for the noise being detrimental to the cows and her trying to pick her battles in a Swiss cattle farming town. I guess she still didn’t hit the mark.
Its a proven fact that cow bells cause hearing loss in cows. But we do a lot worse stuff to animals, so IDK. Does the reduced chance of getting mauled by a predator make the hearing damage worth it?
what predator is this supposed to be that hunts cows in switzerland?
They have wolves, the population is actually growing.
It’s so the farmers can find lost cows
Humans
Like a Predator hunting humans armed with spears
Sometimes they hunt back but mostly on accident
I mean, I would not want to be kept “safe” in those conditions, so I wouldn’t consider it worth it
Wait does naturalization get tied to an election in Switzerland?
It depends on your municipality. In some they have local ballots where every candidate has to be approved. If they are denied because of racist (or similar) reasons, they can appeal the decision to a court. I believe the cow-bell-lady did that, but i dont remember the outcome.
Edit: did some research, she was granted citizenship recently. Here is an article about her (in english): https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/swiss-passport_dutch-troublemaker-finally-granted-swiss-citizenship/43143162
hoera!
It’s somewhat common in Europe for full citizenship to require approval from citizens who know you.
That’s strange as I’ve lived in Europe for 40 years and I’ve never heard of the practice.
Is there absolutely no better work to be done?
Who among us hasn’t spent our time inefficiently on something we care about? If you laser focus on only the most important thing, you’ll go (more) nuts.
I think some people feel guilty if their day isn’t packed to the brim with productivity, I feel so lucky that I don’t feel that way, on the other hand I’m kind of a bum. Live and let live.
Plenty. But, she chose this, instead.