• turdcollector69@lemmy.world
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    I feel like you may be conflating my understanding of her non-acceptance into the community with being ok with animal cruelty.

    I’m not and I don’t think the cows should wear the bells.

    I just think that as an outsider challenging deeply held cultural beliefs she shouldn’t have expected to be welcomed as a citizen of that community.

    It was an extremely unrealistic expectation to have.

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      I just think that as an outsider challenging deeply held cultural beliefs she shouldn’t have expected to be welcomed as a citizen

      Of course not. Keep people of different beliefs legally segregated and treat anyone in foreign soil as a second class human.

      Otherwise, you might be annoyed from time to time.

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        There is a middle ground and you’re deliberately not seeing it.

        If you demand change of others, you will be met with resentment.

        If you slowly convince others of change, you can build friends and allies and grow a movement

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          There is a middle ground

          There’s no middle ground between citizenship and non-citizenship. And dangling threat of denied legal residency as a form of censorship is exactly the kind of fascist shit we’re seeing in Trump’s America.

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            But she wasn’t denied legal residency, she was denied citizenship. And you don’t need citizenship to speak, so I fail to see the censorship.

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              she was denied citizenship

              Which denies her a host of legal protections within the community, heaps additional bureaucratic burdens in renewing non-citizen residency papers, and exposes her to summary deportation on the whims of state security.

              I fail to see the censorship

              Threatening to deny someone citizenship based on their expressed political views is textbook censorship.

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                Which denies her a host of legal protections within the community, heaps additional bureaucratic burdens in renewing non-citizen residency papers, and exposes her to summary deportation on the whims of state security.

                I’m a Swiss permanent resident, and pretty much none of that is true. You have no clue what your talking about.___

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                  EU citizen and its obnoxious what you can’t do in Switzerland without full citizenship. The Swiss are famous for their refusal to play fairly with their European neighbors, operating as a fiscal parasite and anti-regulatory black box at odds with the rest of the continent (and the planet).