I’m not trying to fedpost or any form of illegal-to-say-posting in any form, more just marveling at the entirely lackluster response of the American public to the maddeningly absurd state of American politics.

Of course Americans are the most propagandized people on Earth, but it’s been that way for generations, and at this point I feel like the sheer amount of shit that is allowed to just fly by with full knowledge of the public with little or no cool-zone moments is preposterous. Not to mention the fact that as things continue to get worse, there are more and more people who are desperate and/or unwell, and in such a position as to incite some crazy shit.

Like… at this point, it’s just open knowledge that the government is a cabal of bloated parasitic pedophiles, and it has been so for quite some time now. Not just “they MIGHT be doing some creepy shit”, but rather they definitely, 100%, without any question have been, are, and will continue to do the most abhorrent type of shit anyone can imagine, for their own sick satisfaction and greed. Conversely, the number of people who’ve lost someone to the soul-sucking nightmare that is our healthcare system, or who’ve lost a child or loved one in any of our many shootings, or any number of other reasons to be righteously revolted by this manufactured reality we live in, is surely immense.

While some people are obviously acting out in all the most disgustingly wrong ways (i.e. said shootings), there’s quite a lot of people who know the correct people to blame for our collective misery, who also have nothing left to lose, because they’ve tragically lost it all already.

So… am I just wrong to expect that more cool-zone type shit should be going down by now?

  • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I’m not your kind of Communist. I don’t want suffering anywhere, but we’re not going to get past suffering if we just sit around and wait for things to get bad.

    It’s a core complaint I have with a type of “ultra” leftism I encounter on this site. I don’t believe in a “vanguard”. I believe in empowering everyday working class folks, not some nebulous core of “leaders” who people will magically follow when things get really bad. This whole vanguard concept comes off as wishful thinking. Thinking that the American Revolution is going to look anything like what happened in China or Russia or Cuba is not realistic. Thinking that American leftists have to follow the same steps as in other places is also not dialectical.

    If we want to see good changes happen we have to work with the people we have now. That means more mutual aid, more on-the-ground ICE watch and court watch, cop watch, etc. More spreading propaganda. More educating and having endless patience for the American worker who has been fed Capitalist propaganda and beaten down with Capitalist Realism their whole lives. It means figuring out how to make our ideologies work under a tapestry of individualism, because there is a cultural selfishness that I don’t believe people in most other countries have. And if that means we have to take baby steps into Democratic Socialism and elect a bunch more Mamdanis, hold a lot more Food Not Bombs, and do a lot more patient educating then so be it.

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      I don’t believe in a “vanguard”. I believe in empowering everyday working class folks, not some nebulous core of “leaders” who people will magically follow when things get really bad.

      You don’t understand what a vanguard party is at all

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      The vanguard should be empowering everyday working class folk. It’s not supposed to be comprised of only revolutionary wartime leaders. They are meant to maintain a strong working knowledge of Marxist theory in order to educate and guide the working class to develop their revolutionary consciousness and class awareness. The working class, in turn, empower the vanguard through their “spontaneous actions” (protesting, striking, etc.) in a symbiotic relationship of sorts.

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        Responding to the “vanguard” bits people are commenting on:

        I have had some bad IRL experiences with people who considered themselves “vanguard” and that has soured my opinion of the concept. On one occasion a “revolutionary vanguard” group disrupted my org’s reading group because apparently we weren’t left enough for their liking. That’s what the reading is for! They were very disruptive and basically forced the room into a shouting match and a lot of BS for almost an hour before leaving.

        Another time a small Marxist org wanted to run some political education night schools. Our chapter decided to try working with them on a joint program since we wanted to hear their perspective and keep trying to unite with other left groups locally. That turned into a disaster! Long story short, the main instigator at this other org tried to break apart couples, saying so-and-so “wasn’t supportive”, caused a trans comrade a lot of mental anguish, and was a complete jackass to everyone that wasn’t 100% on board with their very narrow view of Marxism. And they pushed the same “vanguard” points and of course thought they were going to be that vanguard.

        To me if there is going to be a “vanguard” it has to come from the people organizing on the ground, not from study groups. Unfortunately theory and practice are showing me that while in theory this is how the vanguard should form, in practice it just ends up being the loudest people in the room or the people who already have hangups or personality issues gaining an ego and defending it with this theory. People twist things to fit their personal needs and biases all the time. I mean look at all those Christians who love to tell everyone how to live but clearly haven’t read what Jesus was all about!

        Forgive me for leaning more towards my Anarchist friends’ views on this. I believe if leadership forms it should form organically and should be people that are heads down doing the work, not the people who have read the most theory. Theory is great and important to understand, but I don’t value it as highly as having on-the-ground experience. I see others posting that the vanguard needs to be organizers. Hopefully ya’ll have had better experiences where you live.

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          I’m sorry you had that experience comrade. That elitist mentality has no place in a true vanguard. Like another poster who responded to you with “you don’t understand what the vanguard is.” How is that helpful? We should be helping each other with our understanding of theory, not lording our understanding over others.

          The vanguard will be made up of teachers and organizers. They will be shoulder to shoulder with you in the trenches, ensuring the revolution is comprised of an educated proletariat rather than a chaotic angry mob.