Sorry if thia type of question isn’t allowed, I tried on AskPolitics as well but that comm looks mega dead so I’m x-posting here
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Forgive me if I’m woefully misunderstanding how this all works.
If the government is shut down, and they can’t reach an agreement to open it back up, what happens?
Short term? What does it look like in the coming weeks to months if no agreement is reached?
Mid-Term? Within the next year, if things are still all shut down, what happens to things like trade, tax payments, public services?
Long-term? If, worst case scenario, the divisions between the parties with power have grown so though they can’t ever reach an agreement: what happens then? Is it an anarchist state? Do we have new coup attempts to take power? Does the US balkanize?
I’m not meaning to inject any sort of bias in my line of questions, I hope I haven’t led anyone to any specific conclusions.
We don’t really know. I expect things to degrade until we hit a constitutional crisis of some form.
At this point just scrap the current government and start fresh. The current administration is a joke.
The U.S. balkanizing is what I expect to occur sometime in the next few decades. Divisions have just grown so strongly that there already are functionally a few different Americas, even if we’re still bound together for now.
In terms of the current shutdown though, I suspect it will last through Thanksgiving, and we will see the mother of all air traffic catastrophes. Multiple high profile crashes, tons of airports fully shutdown, lots of airspace shutdown, all amidst one of the busiest travel times of the year. Afterwards, there will be enough pressure to get the Reps to agree to a clean continuing resolution, which will fund the govt through January, and then we’ll do the whole song and dance again.
Well California is just making their own equivalent of federal programs. So if you are on the west coast you are doing better than most.
That’s what they want. Smaller fed, more state level.
Am am pretty lucky to be in a state with a lot of good social programs, I’m a bit worried though because my state relies quite a bit on federal funding.
I hate to ask, but source?
You should always ask for sources ;)
- https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/09/03/california-oregon-and-washington-to-launch-new-west-coast-health-alliance-to-uphold-scientific-integrity-in-public-health-as-trump-destroys-cdcs-credibility/
- https://ccfoodbank.org/ and https://benefitscal.com/?lang=en for food security (theres a ton of these in cali). California is still giving out food and $$ for food this year, even with the cutbacks.
- https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/10/16/governor-newsom-announces-affordable-calrx-insulin-11-a-pen-will-soon-be-available-for-purchase/ - for insulin
- Free school meals for kids: https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/nu/sn/cauniversalmeals.asp
Those are all on top of my head. In my local area we have affordable housing money that is still making its way into the community and its helping out quite a bit. California does a TON for its people.
If you cant change your country for the better, try to change your state. If you cant change your state for the better, try to change your county/city. If you cant change your county/city for the better, try to change your local community/family group. And if you cant change any of the above, just try to take care of yourself. Sometimes thats all you can do.
Man, I love that California is my home. Fun fact by the way, we have our own state anthem, and it actually slaps
Although more people associate it with the NCR from Fallout: New Vegas than the actual state. But hey, something to aspire towards! :)
I’ve never heard the anthem! That’s crazy.
Cody (from AlternateHistoryHub) covered most of the states’ anthems in this video and even ranked them.
Spoilers: California gets S tier :)
Man, I love that California is my home
I wonder what the prison slaves think of California
Wow, that’s one interesting comment history you got there. I’m guessing… Floridian?
Also, as someone who has family members who have worked with clients in the California prison system to make sure they get their rights exercised, we do have due process in this state, unlike your right-wing fantasies, MAGAt.
Go suck off Desantis, and while you’re at it, why not visit Alligator Auschwitz for some tourism of the “accomplishments” of your state.
If you have conservative reps you could try calling and writing their office and demand they compromise on health care. With enough pressure they will cave.
If you have progressive reps call and congratulate them and tell them not to stop until the conservatives start participating in governance
Many of your later questions would rely on too much conjecture to answer. The simple truth is this unprecedented and we don’t know what is going to happen.
I share many of your concerns as many people here do.
Thank you
I have a conservative rep and I’ve thought about writing to them - but not for the reasons you state.
My plea would be to replace the speaker as the House isn’t working but they are getting paid. Even if the senate comes to some compromise, it still needs to be passed by the house IIRC.
The long term is typically what happens to empires like Rome or Britain: a slow, whiny, unstable decline into obscurity until everyone eventually leaves.
Rome had so many civil wars, imperial overextension, political instability, famines, and an inability to cope with disasters, that by the time it fell, it hollowed out to like < 1% of its peak population.
/end doomposting
Thank you, everyone who responded.
Could we finally have a revolution by that point? Because I’m about tired of just talking and thinking of a revolution. We should’ve had about three big ones by this point.
You already had it. They pretended to have an election and then they slowly dismantle the remains of a pretend democracy while the dictatorship/oligarchy continues. You don’t wave banners or do any big loud moves and there’s minimum resistance. Hell, you can even have a little concentration camps and death squads as a treat.
Just like there’s been WWIII going on in Europe for years now with minimal resistance outside the immediate warzones.
And there’s been several country wide invasions in recent decades. A bit of news for a while, but as long as you don’t put up new flags, they’re forgotten about after a few years as businesses get going again.
Long term you should probably come up with a system that doesn’t fail like this by something like a government shutdown…
In Westminster-like systems, I believe this would be loss of supply, where it’s expected to trigger an election. It seems to work well as an incentive for governments to do their bloody job, but I’m sure they would find a way to abuse or ignore it.
IIRC in the UK the civil service just carry on as usual. The Northern Irish government was shut down for 2 years.
There won’t be a long term. The mid term would see enough people out of work or without resources for food/shelter etc that they will resort to alternative means of acquiring resources which will then give the administration the excuse it needs to enact martial law
…and that will be that
I refuse to believe they need “The Event” to happen to accomplish their goals. If ot doesn’t organicallyhappen, one will be simply manufactured as we have in the past.
oh absolutely…there probably won’t be an event…there hasn’t been one yet and he’s already deployed the troops
Could try !AskUSA@discuss.online too
Thank you for suggesting it
You could ask your state/cities (those with income taxes like NYC) to undertake a federal tax strike where all taxes are owed to local jurisdiction, and all payroll exemptions are directed to the local jurisdiction.
That’s a great idea. Regarding local jurisdiction, is that something tbatvahould be suggested to a mayor or to local representatives to the state?
A tax strike is safer if done individually, rather than under command from someone with a return address. US federation must collapse if its only mandate is to serve Israel/oligarchs with only gaslighting of people’s interests.
But, shutdown, unfair project funding redistribution, military occupation, illegal busification of brown people, tariffs meant to make products expensive, not paying SNAP/health assistance, exposing your citizens to terrorism for baseless demonic warmongering policy are all breaches of “States rights” and centralized federation’s obligations to members.
It is more democratic for jurisdictions to negotiate how much tribute they give to Federation, because without a balance of benefits returned for their contributions, fascist oligarchist oppression supported by parasitic populist haters clearly results. When politics are so divisive, divorce is better than fascism, or perceived fascism when other side gets power. A tax strike is first move towards secession, But tribute paid by cities/states for non aggression is a fairer tax system than what we have now. Pay for the programs you want either at the state level or through an association of states.
