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  • I don’t think there is some big extermination plan for America and Australia.

    There wasn’t, but that doesn’t mean that an extermination policy didn’t exist.

    The original American colonies were generally kept in a state of benign neglect with management of the colonies generally being a local affair. This generally meant that the colonists were the ones to make decisions on how to interact with the native population. Generally, this meant war between the natives and colonizers as a way to free up land for the next wave of colonizers to immigrate.

    After a while, the British government tried to enact greater control over its colonies, including the Proclamation Line of 1763 which banned colonization beyond the Appalachian Mountains. This ban was routinely ignored be American colonists and was a reason cited for American independence.

    As for why extermination over domination, there are two main reasons. For the northern colonies, the land did well in acting as a sink for European overpopulation. A lot of economic and political migration started at the time of American colonization and it was considered easier to move than try to create more liberal conditions at home. For the southern colonies, it was generally not seen as worth it to enslave the local population over importing slaves from Africa. It was easier to keep people in bondage in an unfamiliar land than it was to enslave the local populace.

    By the time that the UK was starting to consider colonizing Australia, there were some laws on the books to protect indigenous populations. However, to expedite colonization, the colonizing government in Australia had the local aboriginals declared as non-civilized, which left the continent as terra nullus, or unclaimed territory.


  • It is important to note that Spanish colonization and English colonization had very different strategies. Spanish colonization tended to replace the existing power structures with their own, which typically preserved the native population even if they were demoted to being second class citizens. In contrast, English colonization was a more a form of genocide combined with a settler colonization of free and enslaved persons. There are few tribes east of the Mississippi that are federally recognized and many tribes were forcibly relocated by English and later American government forces.

    And I don’t know how it was in South America, but North America saw a collapse of civilization near first contact which shaped English colonization. There were several Native American civilizations with complex urban forms which collapsed by the time there was contact with English/American settlers. A few remained like the Iroquois and Cherokee, but there was seen to be an overall regression which settlers took as a sign from God that they should settle those lands instead.


  • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubtoNo Stupid Questions@lemmy.worldNative Americans?
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    Native American is seen as different from first people equivalent from Mexico who moved to the USA. Also, the native peoples in the USA on formerly Mexican territory generally have some of the strongest native rights out of the various tribes in the USA along with some of the best sourced hereditary records.

    And there is a recognition of movement across the border. Guadalupe, Arizona was founded because a people from a Yaqui tribe from the Sonoran state in Mexico fled the Diaz led Mexican government to Arizona.











  • Some people want to talk about the rich, but it is also important to talk about the rest of the people voting for it.

    There is a deep cultural mindset in a lot of conservative parts of the country where you’re only really supposed to take care of your own people. In countries with established ethnic groups, it is easy for the state to assume that the default person is within the dominant ethnic group’s kith, or very extended family. That assumption isn’t the case in the USA.

    So, there may be an expectation that you support your kith or extended family, but it doesn’t map to a state because there are several ethnic groups, especially when you take into account that the acceptance of white as one group only came about recently. Therefore, the competing kiths don’t want an equalizimg economic playing field that a welfare state can provide. So, those systems don’t get built.

    Also, somewhat tied into it, there is a lot of shame if a person has to go out of their kith for aid, like welfare or Medicaid. So, people will act as if they are not on those programs because of the shame. Worse, government agencies will make sure that using government welfare is known. For instance, a lot of school districts will have different ways of processing students on subsidized lunch programs over those that pay full price and parents won’t sign up for the subsidized system because of the shame.