If this is fedposting, then mods please delete this.

As I understand it, the black Panthers were so successful, laws were passed to stop them; why don’t people LEGALLY walk in groups open carrying to keep ICE polite?

In states that allow open carry without a permit, do so; in ones that require a permit or license, get one; of course again, keep everything within the bounds of the law.

Edit: also travel in groups, the larger the better

  • RedSturgeon [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    I really wish people understood this right here. It’s so important if we’re to achieve anything tangible. How can anyone expect a person to be a big communism builder, in a system that will isolate you, when you do so openly, someone has to provide alternative means to acquiring a shelter and food, at the very least. Communism isn’t supposed to be some kind of a martyrdom cult where you sacrifice yourself for the “greater good”.

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      I run into this kind of thinking sometimes in my own work. Comrades want the left to “get serious” and start doing “cool shit” like having guns and confronting the police. I want that too, but we aren’t there yet, and I think that kind of talk comes from a place of frustration with the current level of organizing. People don’t want a decades long struggle built on countless conversations and committee meetings, they want a final, dramatic confrontation with capital right now that will decide everything forever. I think it’s the same thing behind doomer-type rhetoric about how the government is about to “really crackdown” or that you’re going to get arrested for being a commie or whatever.

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        Trying to figure out how to keep things grounded and realistically plausible without sounding overly pessimistic and ending up turning people away is one of those frustrating things, isn’t it? That we just got to keep on dealing with, because this is always going to be effected by our current conditions and there’s never gonna be a “perfect” answer. At the end of the day it is a collective effort and we can only do the best we’re able to, life’s already hard enough under the boot of capitalism.

      • I think it’s the same thing behind doomer-type rhetoric about how the government is about to “really crackdown” or that you’re going to get arrested for being a commie or whatever.

        somewhat, but i think it’s also not entirely unjustified paranoia because the state has shown it is willing to infiltrate and try to crush even the most tiny marxist reading clubs let alone actual big orgs

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          I guess I mean, not so much that there won’t be state repression, but there is a kind of rhetoric you see mostly online, sometimes in person, where folks will talk like it’s about to be over. That some kind of apocalyptic wave of reaction is imminent that will shut down all hope forever. It’s that kind of rhetoric that I think stems from the same place of wanting finality now instead of living in protracted, liminal struggle.