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This is what I don’t understand. Do people not factor the consequences of giving the orange buffoon power again and the impact that choice has on their own country, economy and system of government, nevermind what is happening half a world away?
I was saying to my older friends that AOC should really be running for president because in a lot of ways she brings with her Bernie ideologies, my friend told me that Democrats need to run a moderate candidate. She is a great progressive who fights bullies, instead of making backroom deals with them. I really hope Mamdani wins in New York and will signal that people really want progressives in office. AOC would be an amazing president because she actually puts the work into listening to people and acting on it.
I had a super progressive friend throw her vote away because of a war happening across the globe that’s been going on for thousands of years. Kamala supported Israel and on top of that, “she’s a cop.”
Probably expected the gaza war to end the first day trump was in office too…
But no, progressives aren’t necessarily the entire answer either, as other forum members hope. Nothing against AOC or Bernie (I think they’re great). Vote by policy and solutions, not personality or affiliation.
I think a lot of people in this world enjoy watching the suffering of others. I’ve noticed quite a number of people who claim to be lefties on here who seem to be perfectly fine with people suffering because they are suffering themselves.
They are the kind of people who would get angry and abstain from voting if they did not qualify for student loan forgiveness. They are not OK with one group of people having a win unless they are in that group of people.
The same group of people who get angry at your lifestyle because it interferes with the rules their religion forces them to adhere to? The religion they chose to follow? Those people and people who think like them?
People lost their minds, there is not going to be a perfect candidate, this is not a perfect world, shit is fucked up all over the place the best you can do it make it slightly less fucked up. You can’t fix everything at once and sorry the two party system is here to stay for a while it seems so suck it up and be the change you want.
Also so crazy that this vote basically hinged on a holy war that’s been going on thousands of years. They have to work it out. I’m going to vote in the interest of the people who live in the country, at present, who are hurting.
It’s like people who didn’t take the time to educate themselves about how things work were shovel fed a quick fix solution by the algorithms and this is the result. Like microwaving the phone to dry it out. It has a concept that seems like it might work, but nobody who knows how microwaves and phones work would ever try that.
Yep kind of a symptom of a world where everything is available with a button click. Sorry to say but yes, people are slow to accept change. On the trans issue for example, gay rights took a loooong time, mainstream acceptance was slow and unfortunately you can’t just lump trans rights in there with it because there’s a lot of unique issues that come with it that people have to accept, it will take some time, people will get there, I know it sucks.
The Gaza issue is so far away from gay rights. It’s not in our community; it’s not tangible to the average person. The problem is the people who are passionate about Palestine have JUST found out about the war. Through propaganda designed to to divide Americans. They are shocked to find some of us have been following the conflict for 30+ years. Amazed when one says both sides are empirically bad. Anyone who takes a side in the conflict has been made a fool. Let the religious zealots kill each other in peace. That’s what they wanna do. It has nothing to do with America.
Gay rights is a good example. The media played a HUGE role in changing our societies views on the topic and now they are working in the other direction. It takes all types, but the biggest advancement in my time was probably media inclusion and grass roots political movements to legalize gay marriage at a state level. Not enough state level popular reform in the trump era
Yep. 100%. And it seems the algorithms push this kind of thinking everywhere. Used to be this lazy “both sides” take was just a thing you usually heard kind of on the margins, and mostly in-person, usually from someone that was either a Libertarian, a Communist, or just someone incredibly tuned out of everything, but wants to sound really profound. 🙄
Now it’s just all over the place. It’s a great way to atomize much of the left and demoralize just enough people so that they don’t turn out for Democrats.
And remember - no matter how much these types might actually believe their schtick (and aren’t just paid actors or bots) and stamp their feet, there are exactly TWO viable options at the ballot box when it comes down to the general.
Talking about woulda coulda shoulda and being a precious purity pony is just a circle jerk, and nothing else.
You have no principals, if you did, you’d oppose those directly in opposition of your principals.
Instead you call evil imperfect because it doesn’t harm you and yours. You’re part of the problem, you’re why the Democrats feel comfortable running a campaign to the right of GWB’s, 20 more years and you’d be voting for everything Trump is doing today and calling it imperfect.
What’s looney tunes about having principals and not supporting those who oppose them?
Do you have something to actually say in response, or are you simply satisfied with calling it crazy?
Do you disagree that Kamala Harris was further to the right of GWB on trade? On asylum and border crosses? On energy? Calling as a “left candidate” for the “most lethal military” to big applause?
Do you disagree that the Democrats are further right than 20 years ago? The shift to bootlicking and police worshiping? Do you not see what they actually fund and vote for in between using minorites in rhetoric about human rights and equality? Did you miss how they completely moved on from roe v wade?
If you have leftist principals, you don’t support candidates who directly oppose them, just because the other candidate opposes them more. Prop up your own candidate who supports your principals even if they have no chance at winning, because it’s crucial to keep your principals in the conversation. Once they’re out of the conversation, good luck getting the masses thinking about them again.
All you’d be saying for her wet-noodle policies is “at least it’s not Trump!”
Yes, but we’d be stressing the point that the better of two options is the one that prevailed. The onus is on the losers to provide a better and more appealing candidate next time. It’s like natural selection.
In Canada, we chose the least-worse option. It’s not a great option, but it’s far better than the worst. We’re hoping to see more support for an even better option.
I’d be upset, I dislike her very much. However, we wouldn’t be watching SNAP benefits disappear. Women wouldn’t be denied abortions. We wouldn’t have ICE standing around in masks shooting civilians with paint balls.
The real problem is people like you. People who think we have to make everyone suffer. That burn it down and rebuild it lie, or the “reset” button. Sure, you can burn it down and press reset, it reset is slavery and feudalism.
I do support better candidates… In the primary… But then I vote for the person who is the least likely to destroy everything.
That’s the problem with 2024. The Democrats never had a primary. That was wrong. Nobody wanted her. And just because you don’t like the candidates doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to vote.
I think what a lot of uneducated lefties forget is that “better” is subjective, and that positive change happens in very small amounts–whereas negative change usually happens in huge chunks.
But if you really want to know what I think, I feel humanity is far too flawed to get beyond where we are right now as a society. I mean, look at us, we are sitting here arguing and probably on generally the same side. There is zero hope.
You were willing to overlook a genocide. We are not on the same side. Maybe one day you will come around to my side and we will welcome you. I will never come around to your side.
Yes, we are in the exact same boat. You don’t know me and therefore you can’t confirm that we are not. You just want to be mean to someone online… Boat.
harris had a celebrity filled gala where republicans were invited but the people speaking on behalf of the middle and lower class and about policies that would benefit them and everyone else were locked outside and were not permitted in
what policies she was just some lawyer from california who after dating her boss got a higher position at work afterwards
In 1990, Harris was hired as a deputy district attorney in Alameda County, California, where she was described as “an able prosecutor on the way up”.[29] In 1994, Speaker of the California Assembly Willie Brown, who was then dating Harris, appointed her to the state Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and later to the California Medical Assistance Commission.[29]
That’s the point. Make you poor and unable to choose. Good thing Kamala didn’t win though, we really lucked out avoiding “business as usual” bullshit.
This is what I don’t understand. Do people not factor the consequences of giving the orange buffoon power again and the impact that choice has on their own country, economy and system of government, nevermind what is happening half a world away?
People are tired of falling in line for a party that doesn’t support them.
It’s an easy fix, just start nominating progressive candidates.
The only issue is that upper middle class white folks will have to pay more in taxes, so they’d rather have Trump.
It’s all about the money, and money brings out the worst in people.
I was saying to my older friends that AOC should really be running for president because in a lot of ways she brings with her Bernie ideologies, my friend told me that Democrats need to run a moderate candidate. She is a great progressive who fights bullies, instead of making backroom deals with them. I really hope Mamdani wins in New York and will signal that people really want progressives in office. AOC would be an amazing president because she actually puts the work into listening to people and acting on it.
I had a super progressive friend throw her vote away because of a war happening across the globe that’s been going on for thousands of years. Kamala supported Israel and on top of that, “she’s a cop.”
Probably expected the gaza war to end the first day trump was in office too…
But no, progressives aren’t necessarily the entire answer either, as other forum members hope. Nothing against AOC or Bernie (I think they’re great). Vote by policy and solutions, not personality or affiliation.
I think a lot of people in this world enjoy watching the suffering of others. I’ve noticed quite a number of people who claim to be lefties on here who seem to be perfectly fine with people suffering because they are suffering themselves.
They are the kind of people who would get angry and abstain from voting if they did not qualify for student loan forgiveness. They are not OK with one group of people having a win unless they are in that group of people.
The same group of people who get angry at your lifestyle because it interferes with the rules their religion forces them to adhere to? The religion they chose to follow? Those people and people who think like them?
Mostly the fake commies on here.
If Kamala won, you wouldn’t be upset even though the working class is still losing.
All you’d be saying for her wet-noodle policies is “at least it’s not Trump!”
You people really need to stop pretending that Kamala’s victory would be your victory. They’re all victories for the ruling class.
This is what will give trump another term
Exactly this right here - the perfect is the enemy of the good
People lost their minds, there is not going to be a perfect candidate, this is not a perfect world, shit is fucked up all over the place the best you can do it make it slightly less fucked up. You can’t fix everything at once and sorry the two party system is here to stay for a while it seems so suck it up and be the change you want.
Also so crazy that this vote basically hinged on a holy war that’s been going on thousands of years. They have to work it out. I’m going to vote in the interest of the people who live in the country, at present, who are hurting.
It’s like people who didn’t take the time to educate themselves about how things work were shovel fed a quick fix solution by the algorithms and this is the result. Like microwaving the phone to dry it out. It has a concept that seems like it might work, but nobody who knows how microwaves and phones work would ever try that.
Yep kind of a symptom of a world where everything is available with a button click. Sorry to say but yes, people are slow to accept change. On the trans issue for example, gay rights took a loooong time, mainstream acceptance was slow and unfortunately you can’t just lump trans rights in there with it because there’s a lot of unique issues that come with it that people have to accept, it will take some time, people will get there, I know it sucks.
The Gaza issue is so far away from gay rights. It’s not in our community; it’s not tangible to the average person. The problem is the people who are passionate about Palestine have JUST found out about the war. Through propaganda designed to to divide Americans. They are shocked to find some of us have been following the conflict for 30+ years. Amazed when one says both sides are empirically bad. Anyone who takes a side in the conflict has been made a fool. Let the religious zealots kill each other in peace. That’s what they wanna do. It has nothing to do with America.
Gay rights is a good example. The media played a HUGE role in changing our societies views on the topic and now they are working in the other direction. It takes all types, but the biggest advancement in my time was probably media inclusion and grass roots political movements to legalize gay marriage at a state level. Not enough state level popular reform in the trump era
Eh, more like the good is the enemy of the lesser and greater evils which is why we can’t have good candidates.
Yep. 100%. And it seems the algorithms push this kind of thinking everywhere. Used to be this lazy “both sides” take was just a thing you usually heard kind of on the margins, and mostly in-person, usually from someone that was either a Libertarian, a Communist, or just someone incredibly tuned out of everything, but wants to sound really profound. 🙄
Now it’s just all over the place. It’s a great way to atomize much of the left and demoralize just enough people so that they don’t turn out for Democrats.
And remember - no matter how much these types might actually believe their schtick (and aren’t just paid actors or bots) and stamp their feet, there are exactly TWO viable options at the ballot box when it comes down to the general.
Talking about woulda coulda shoulda and being a precious purity pony is just a circle jerk, and nothing else.
You have no principals, if you did, you’d oppose those directly in opposition of your principals.
Instead you call evil imperfect because it doesn’t harm you and yours. You’re part of the problem, you’re why the Democrats feel comfortable running a campaign to the right of GWB’s, 20 more years and you’d be voting for everything Trump is doing today and calling it imperfect.
What a weird response. Just straight up looney tunes
What’s looney tunes about having principals and not supporting those who oppose them?
Do you have something to actually say in response, or are you simply satisfied with calling it crazy?
Do you disagree that Kamala Harris was further to the right of GWB on trade? On asylum and border crosses? On energy? Calling as a “left candidate” for the “most lethal military” to big applause?
Do you disagree that the Democrats are further right than 20 years ago? The shift to bootlicking and police worshiping? Do you not see what they actually fund and vote for in between using minorites in rhetoric about human rights and equality? Did you miss how they completely moved on from roe v wade?
If you have leftist principals, you don’t support candidates who directly oppose them, just because the other candidate opposes them more. Prop up your own candidate who supports your principals even if they have no chance at winning, because it’s crucial to keep your principals in the conversation. Once they’re out of the conversation, good luck getting the masses thinking about them again.
This is too emotional - blue no matter who we’ve got to fix this shit looney tunes. Voting Blue is the start
If someone wanted to split the Blue vote their comments would read exactly as yours
I mean, you’re the moron who thinks that a candidate who supports the working class is ‘perfect.’
Hahaha just unhinged - it’s like you’re not even on this planet. How super weird you must be
Yes, but we’d be stressing the point that the better of two options is the one that prevailed. The onus is on the losers to provide a better and more appealing candidate next time. It’s like natural selection.
In Canada, we chose the least-worse option. It’s not a great option, but it’s far better than the worst. We’re hoping to see more support for an even better option.
Yeah but they get to say ‘i didn’t vote for trump, because I didn’t vote’.
What do you mean? When Biden won, they still went with Trump.
I’d be upset, I dislike her very much. However, we wouldn’t be watching SNAP benefits disappear. Women wouldn’t be denied abortions. We wouldn’t have ICE standing around in masks shooting civilians with paint balls.
The real problem is people like you. People who think we have to make everyone suffer. That burn it down and rebuild it lie, or the “reset” button. Sure, you can burn it down and press reset, it reset is slavery and feudalism.
Good luck!
If it upsets you so much, you can do something about it.
Start supporting better candidates and encourage others to do the same.
Once we nominate a candidate that actually cares about the working class, then we can stop having this discussion and focus on solving real problems.
That is not how politics actually works.
I do support better candidates… In the primary… But then I vote for the person who is the least likely to destroy everything.
That’s the problem with 2024. The Democrats never had a primary. That was wrong. Nobody wanted her. And just because you don’t like the candidates doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to vote.
I think what a lot of uneducated lefties forget is that “better” is subjective, and that positive change happens in very small amounts–whereas negative change usually happens in huge chunks.
But if you really want to know what I think, I feel humanity is far too flawed to get beyond where we are right now as a society. I mean, look at us, we are sitting here arguing and probably on generally the same side. There is zero hope.
You were willing to overlook a genocide. We are not on the same side. Maybe one day you will come around to my side and we will welcome you. I will never come around to your side.
Oh I’m sure it’ll right itself after a century or two. Just like the last time, and not in their lifetimes. Lol.
I am sure that, like many people, she dislikes you as well.
I’m sure we are in the same boat
No. You and I do not share the same boat.
Yes, we are in the exact same boat. You don’t know me and therefore you can’t confirm that we are not. You just want to be mean to someone online… Boat.
The sad thing is that anyone who’s been paying attention could tell she was never going to win against a rich white man.
She was calm yet passionate.
She was intelligent yet down to earth.
She was serious but not afraid to laugh at bullshit from the GOP.
She had amazing policies that benefited the middle and lower class on both sides.
None of that ever mattered. She was never going to win against a rich white man.
The DNC fucked up big time.
wtf are you talking about
harris had a celebrity filled gala where republicans were invited but the people speaking on behalf of the middle and lower class and about policies that would benefit them and everyone else were locked outside and were not permitted in
what policies she was just some lawyer from california who after dating her boss got a higher position at work afterwards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris
didnt lose to whitey she is a whitey
She played the game under the rules white men had designed and implemented almost 250 years ago.
Maybe we should stop playing their game instead of being a bunch of little bitches?
Just an idea.
First rule of life – Either change the rules or change the game, because playing their game by their rules means you’re guaranteed to lose.
I don’t think those rules actually ever worked. You can’t change the game of life—you have to play it.