Opportunity" is not the same thing as “being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Zhukov and Chavez had to earn a lot of trust with their lives on the line in combat to get to where they were, especially Zhukov.
And the first step to do that is by accepting they could be of service to the cause despite their prior affiliation.
Also "“being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Is your conditional, not mine.
How about learning from the people who the us military lost against and/or who have experience fighting them. Veterans can act as trainers but they shouldn’t be let near leadership positions for the same reason you don’t want “former neo nazis” in positions of leadership either.
Well, most of the time revolutions happen locally and the people who beat the US military are located across the globe?
Also trainers are leaders? I don’t know why you are nit picking at the use of leadership, that’s your claim and has nothing to do with my original argument.
Yes as the counterrevolutionary fascist paramilitary sent to kill the revolutionaries
Lol, I’m not saying there won’t be ex military counter revolutionary forces. But what leads you to believe there won’t be ex military revolutionary forces?
Surely a successful revolution would be possible without having “former nazis” in charge.
Can you give me any examples of successful revolutions that are made up of revolutionary fighters completely devoid of any combat experience? You can’t just pick up a rifle with your buds and stand against a trained fire team.
Well, most of the time revolutions happen locally and the people who beat the US military are located across the globe
I won’t elaborate more on this, just know that there are ways to get around a distance barrier without attracting the attention of 3 letter agencies.
You can’t just pick up a rifle with your buds and stand against a trained fire team.
As if the masses are helpless fucks who can’t learn how to fight a guerilla war without having some “former nazi” in charge of the entire operation.
Also "“being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Is your conditional, not mine.
Earliest comment: “Pretty much every effective militant revolution in history were founded or led by a group of former military members”
I assumed that the “most fervent and militant leftist organizers” referred to in the first comment had major leadership positions within their organizations when I made the comment: “Also if leftist organizations are being headed by former fascist soldiers then this is more of an indictment to those organizations than anything else tbh.”
This could have been a wrong assumption, the copes continued regardless as if it was not.
My point isn’t that “there will definitely be no ex fascist foot soldiers within a revolutionary movement”, its that its fucking ridiculous to have them in positions of leadership over small nonviolent leftist organizations when the struggle hasn’t turned violent. Bringing up Zhukov and Chavez is irrelevant because the stage of struggle during their time was already violent. Even when the struggle has turned violent these fucks need to prove their worth before being let anywhere near leadership over the organization.
Its just bizarre to start brown nosing “former fascist” soldiers in response to someone expressing rightful disdain towards the us military for being a ruthless genocidal white supremacist force that has destroyed many lives and continues to do so. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hating them and responding to the hate with “but muh not all troops” is beyond unnecessary and serves to distract from the fact that they have helped commit genocide and should be regarded as such, ideally held accountable just like the wehrmacht/waffen SS/IOF.
And the first step to do that is by accepting they could be of service to the cause despite their prior affiliation.
Also "“being given a leadership position in a small leftist organization during a time when armed combat is not required”. Is your conditional, not mine.
Well, most of the time revolutions happen locally and the people who beat the US military are located across the globe?
Also trainers are leaders? I don’t know why you are nit picking at the use of leadership, that’s your claim and has nothing to do with my original argument.
Lol, I’m not saying there won’t be ex military counter revolutionary forces. But what leads you to believe there won’t be ex military revolutionary forces?
Can you give me any examples of successful revolutions that are made up of revolutionary fighters completely devoid of any combat experience? You can’t just pick up a rifle with your buds and stand against a trained fire team.
No not of the entire organization.
I won’t elaborate more on this, just know that there are ways to get around a distance barrier without attracting the attention of 3 letter agencies.
As if the masses are helpless fucks who can’t learn how to fight a guerilla war without having some “former nazi” in charge of the entire operation.
Earliest comment: “Pretty much every effective militant revolution in history were founded or led by a group of former military members”
I assumed that the “most fervent and militant leftist organizers” referred to in the first comment had major leadership positions within their organizations when I made the comment: “Also if leftist organizations are being headed by former fascist soldiers then this is more of an indictment to those organizations than anything else tbh.”
This could have been a wrong assumption, the copes continued regardless as if it was not.
My point isn’t that “there will definitely be no ex fascist foot soldiers within a revolutionary movement”, its that its fucking ridiculous to have them in positions of leadership over small nonviolent leftist organizations when the struggle hasn’t turned violent. Bringing up Zhukov and Chavez is irrelevant because the stage of struggle during their time was already violent. Even when the struggle has turned violent these fucks need to prove their worth before being let anywhere near leadership over the organization.
Its just bizarre to start brown nosing “former fascist” soldiers in response to someone expressing rightful disdain towards the us military for being a ruthless genocidal white supremacist force that has destroyed many lives and continues to do so. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hating them and responding to the hate with “but muh not all troops” is beyond unnecessary and serves to distract from the fact that they have helped commit genocide and should be regarded as such, ideally held accountable just like the wehrmacht/waffen SS/IOF.