Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.
The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.
They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.
Though Trump later endorsed a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of the US president’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.
The meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy came amid a fresh push by the US president to end Russia’s war following the ceasefire secured between Israel and Hamas.
Zelenskyy and his team went to the White House hoping to persuade Trump to supply them with long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, but the US president ultimately declined to do so.
The tense meeting echoed a similarly fractious encounter at the White House in February, in which Trump and Vice-President JD Vance lambasted Zelenskyy for what they characterised as a lack of gratitude towards the US.
During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.
According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that Putin had told him the conflict was a “special operation, not even a war”, adding that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.
The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”
At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said. According to the official, Trump said he was “sick” of seeing the map of the frontline of Ukraine again and again.
“This red line, I don’t even know where this is. I’ve never been there,” Trump said, according to the official.
Trump also said that Russia’s economy is “doing great”, the official said, in a sharp contrast to his recent public remarks in which he urged Putin to negotiate because his “economy is going to collapse”.
The White House and the Ukrainian president’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Trump told Fox News on Sunday that he was confident about securing an end to the conflict, and added that Putin is “going to take something, he’s won certain property”.
Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
The Russian proposal marks a small concession from that made during Putin’s last meeting with Trump in Alaska in August, where he said he would agree to freeze the line of contact elsewhere on the frontline if Ukraine surrendered the Donbas.
That meeting also ended acrimoniously after Putin rejected Trump’s push for an immediate ceasefire and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history, prompting the US to explore ramped-up support for Kyiv, including by supplying Tomahawk missiles.
But ceding the remainder of the Donbas still under Ukrainian control would be a non-starter for Ukraine, as it would hand Moscow territory it has only partially occupied for more than a decade and failed to seize despite its efforts since Putin ordered the invasion in 2022.
Russian forces have struggled to retain the territory in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia that Putin offered in exchange, and have made virtually no progress on the battlefield there since 2022, the year the war began.
“To give [the Donbas] to Russia without a fight is unacceptable for Ukrainian society, and Putin knows that,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee.
He said that Putin might be pushing the contentious idea “with a purpose to cause division within Ukraine and undermine our unity”.
Merezhko added: “It’s not about getting more territory for Russia, it’s about how to destroy us from within.”
Trump’s belligerent repetition of Putin’s rhetoric on Friday dashed hopes among many of Ukraine’s European allies that he could be convinced to increase support to Kyiv.
That hope had risen after Trump in recent weeks expressed frustration and impatience with the Russian president’s refusal to actively engage in bilateral peace negotiations with Zelenskyy.
Three other European officials briefed on the White House discussions confirmed that Trump had spent much of the meeting lecturing Zelenskyy, repeating Putin’s arguments about the conflict and urging him to accept the Russian proposal.
“Zelenskyy was very negative” following the meeting, according to one of the officials, adding that European leaders were “not optimistic but pragmatic with planning next steps”.
In a statement on Sunday, Zelenskyy said “decisive steps are needed from the United States, Europe, the G20 and G7 countries” to end the war.
“This red line, I don’t even know where this is. I’ve never been there,” Trump said, according to the official.
this is amazing. pure distilled empire brain.
he’s an actual real free range diet coke and cheeseburger raised big wet boy.
According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that Putin had told him the conflict was a “special operation, not even a war”, adding that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.
Every time I doubt the “Trump literally just believes what the last person he respects told him” he says some shit that’s like… Dude he’s been calling it that since day 1 so what made you say this now oh right you just talked to the guy
Of course, he’s 12
You want to bathe your face in sunless tanner and subsist off of Diet Coke and McFish sandwiches? Fuck yeah little buddy, you’re 12!
When Putin says this he’s saying it to point out that Russia is not using all of its strength. There is much they are legally not allowed to do under Russian law without declaring it a war. It’s a threat that they will declare it a war and go harder.
I don’t even think its that. I think Trump has zero plan or policy as people like Stephen Miller are actually in charge, so Trump personally just says whatever. Whatever Trump says has no impact on what the US does. The government is going to continue this war until they think the MIC cant make anymore money off of it
That meeting also ended acrimoniously after Putin rejected Trump’s push for an immediate ceasefire and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history, prompting the US to explore ramped-up support for Kyiv, including by supplying Tomahawk missiles.
Is this article implying that trump got so annoyed at putin’s history lecture that he started thinking about sending long range missiles to Ukraine?
We truly do live in the blackest era of
reactioncomedy.I’m picturing the “a thousand years ago in Muscovy” type shit he did to Tucker Carlson. Very funny mental image of Trump trying to comprehend any of it
I would give anything to hear Donald Trump start rambling in earnest but confused statements about Kievan Rus.
His speech in the immediate aftermath of the invasion was very similar. Started talking about Lenin’s decisions regarding Ukraine and ends up in the 14th century after about an hour. Dude is absolutely the neurotic strongman people parody him as
If he had actual good politics I would put him on my blunt rotation in a heartbeat
the neurotic strongman people parody him as
rfk thinks putin is afflicted with orthodautism
The U.S throws it full support behind Ukraine with boots on the group cuz Putin’s lectures gets too long winded
Imagining Donny just zoning out and doing the ROI math of MIC profiting from prolonging the war vs potentially getting more lectures

Me info dumping on my GF too much and her not making me dinner because of it vibes FR
wild i thought they were winning
I thought Russia collapsed 10 times by now
Schrödinger’s Russia is always on the brink of collapse but still a constant threat to Europe
They will invade NATO ANY SECOND NOW. EU COUNTRIES NEED TO CUT ALL SOCIAL PROGRAMS TO PREPARE FOR INVASION
Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus,
any day, right after China
Just one more sanction fam, please another hit and RUssia WILLL COLLAPSE
Putin’s maximalist demands
lmao
Full scale demands, even
illegal, authoritarian, full scale, hand picked demands
that word has meaninglessly been repeated so many times. I can think of many more demands that any maximalist would ask
I continue to stand by by stance that everything Trump says tells you nothing about anything, trying to predict anything using his words is less effective than reading tea leaves, and he’ll be saying the exact opposite a week from now
I think hes senile and has no idea what he’s saying and US policy is actually headed by a group of guys lead by Stephen Miller doing their best job to convince Trump to sign and go with their agenda.
Trump is just a happy little camper sitting on his throne as he owns the libs. I think he’s come up with zero policy other than maybe the tariff shit.
Supposedly, he didn’t come up with that either. Remember that whole formula of (imports - exports)/(importa) trump used to determine the level of tariffs on trading partners?
That was come up with by some fuckass neolib economists, who latter were telling the news media that their formulas were misrepresented or something in order to appear less dumb to future employers.
So he legit just sits there all day eating Mcdonalds and shit posting while going on about how much he hates the libs. He is occasionally handed a bill by miller to sign and then he goes on about how great he is. LMAO
I couldn’t possibly imagine trump genuinely doing research or repot writing. There is a 0% chance he does anything other than ordering servants. Same as all bourgeois leaders, who participate in production by being "ideas guy"s
minus the ideas
Yeah, I don’t put too much stock into anything he says either. He tends to parrot whatever the last person he talked to told him, which would’ve been Putin in this case. It does look like he might be flipping back to trying to put pressure on Ukraine though now that he’s realized he can’t pressure Russia. Unlike the Europeans, the Americans realize the war is lost, and they are trying to find an off ramp for themselves.
All those murderers in a room shouting and insulting each other - I don’t care about the drama. Bottom line is, that’s good news for peace or at least reason to hope.
Looks like you’re missing the link:
https://archive.is/20251019213613/https://www.ft.com/content/7960c6aa-dbfa-4a55-91e8-ae44601842ec
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