Surreal? No. Horrifying.
on reddit post, i heard they were dragging out naked children.
Where are all those GUNS at America???
In the hands of the fascists, just as they’ve always been.
Anarchists and some varities of Communists/Socialists have guns but they’re overwhelmingly outnumbered by Liberals who embraced gun prohibition.
So where are the bus loads of lawyers? Even with today’s authoritarian reality, that should be an open-shut case. Even if ICE claims they can write their own warrants, there’s no way they’re motivated enough to write one for every unit in a large building. Their laziness trumps their malice
How exactly do ICE punks get their authority?
They’re not cops, so how can they detain people?
mostly from not being shot on sight
They arent cops but they do derive their authority the same way cops do: the govt imbues them with that authority.
From what I’ve read, they’re federal agents and according to US law, local and state police and stuff cannot get in the way of federal or something.
Noemish mischief
ICE agents are unfortunately cops.
- federal cops
Even worse! :D
I hate the fact that the international community is just sitting by because it’s an internal affair and only speaking up about trade issues, etc… That’s what gave Nazi Germany carte blanche to do it’s thing leading up to 39.
Every sane country on earth needs to be embargoing the fuck out of the U.S., not just for their own sake, but for the sake of forcing the American political establishment to deal with their own fascist problem or become a paraiah on the world stage.
International community is used to USA being the empire of evil. We’re interested if USians experience it themselves, will they change for the better or civil war splint USA?
Those list USA being evil:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_atrocity_crimes
Those list USA spreading evil
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intelligence_operations_abroad
I think its missing stuff like Operation Gladio and such, but I don’t want to overwhelm you with links.
And that only is about US government direct crimes, it doesn’t even touch what USA corporations do outside USA.
1800 people have already been “lost track of” (read: murdered until proven otherwise) in the Everglades concentration camp.
Yeah but the problem is he didn’t achieve power by some manipulation of the vote at least not primarily he achieved it by getting a bunch of Americans to vote for him. A bunch of stupid ignorant Americans wearing silly hats voted for him.
Shy of any evidence to say otherwise he is the democratically elected leader of the United States. All the countries can’t be setting the precedent that if they don’t like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Besides if Europe playes it’s cards right it’s about to become the economic superpower of the world. The current economic superpower appears to be continuously blowing their own feet off and giggling.
I would be mightily surprised if our european brown noser in charge have plans for overtaking the USA. Maybe France, but Germany and UK looks like we can’t even resist Trump a bit or the leading parties even try to emulate him. Which will lead to the same problems here. And afterwards everybody was in the resistance. Again.
All the countries can’t be setting the precedent that if they don’t like a particular leader they will assist in their downfall.
Yeah, only we can do that.
Yeah. That’s very true. I hadn’t thought about it that way. Thanks for giving me something to think about.
Hitler was votes in. So was Mussolini. Kind of.
That’s because they’re not willing to piss off Trump. He’s unstable, belligerent, and hostile - all while commanding the world’s largest military and that stupid tariff hammer. It’s easier for them to look the other way the same as with the Gaza genocide. They might retroactively call it out when it no longer threatens backlash for them to do it.
If only the days of invading a fully militarized country were still on the table. You can’t look at this like it’s 1939. With nukes now being a thing no one wants to get involved because it will end in total destruction. America is over, a failed experiment in self governance. In all honesty USA should be broken up into 50 SEPERATE countries. There needs to be a plan in place for this to come to fruition, or its over for you guys. All of you seem to actively hate everyone else in your country.
More like 7-10 countries based on a combination of bioregions, cultural zones, and remaining indigenous communities. Many (most?) US states aren’t developed or densely populated enough to function as independent nations as they currently exist.
I’d start with: Cascadia, California-Nevada, the Southwest (UT/CO/AZ/NM), the Midwest, Texas-Oklahoma, the Confederate States (minus Texas), Yankee (NY, NJ, PA), and New England.
We (New England) will take the damn Yankees, so we’ll have our own southern yokels to look down on. Besides, the only important games in baseball are Red Sox vs Yankees: we’d have the entire major league (that anyone cares about). /s
50 countries is wild lmao
balkanization is what its called, maybe not into 50 countries, but allies of the blue ones against the red ones.
I feel like the US did that once before 🤔
They mounted a tripod gun on the roof of the broadview facility. I challenge anyone to think about “shithole” areas of the world and not envision unmarked paramilitary wearing masks, body armor, and carrying something like an ar15.
If someone entered the sanctity of my home without first presenting an Article III warrant, they’d get a bullet in their skull
Ice also has guns and they don’t roll in by themselves. They roll four or more deep most of the time on home raids. Even people with guns don’t want to get shot themselves. The way ICE rolls in without warning, most people aren’t locked and loaded in mass sitting in their homes. I’m sure the people there weren’t expecting that excessive action. Most Americans don’t wanna die in a government fire fight if they can help it. You have to be alive to claim self defense, and our government’s so corrupt it’s not a guarantee you’ll win. As deep as ice rolls into these type of situations, it’s not like they won’t have back up to take you out if you do happen to take a couple of them out. Trump will back ICE if they use any excessive force.
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Anyone. Entering. My. Home. Univited. Without. A. Warrant. Will. Die.
Maybe its ICE. Maybe it’s a criminal. How am I supposed to know?
I feel you and I’m not mad at that - just saying chances are you can’t shoot all the guys in ICE before they shoot you. Most people don’t want to die. Resisting a force as large and organized as the government takes guerrilla tactics.
A lot of people like to puff out their chest and say that. I still haven’t seen something like that happen in the news for all the times ICE has raided people’s homes throughout the country. It could be a matter of time but it’ll be exceedingly rare.
The news like’s to pretend that stuff doesn’t happen but it does. I remember cops getting super pissed off because the court ruled that a guy who shot some cops was legally in the clear in that particular situation.
It does happen, although I haven’t heard of it happening recently with ICE per se, but I do recall Breonna Taylor’s boyfriend firing at police for entering the home unannounced and hitting a cop.
It is a situation where after the pin drops, everything explodes. Exceedingly rare will become common, simply because law and norms no longer has enough belief to sustain the status quo.
The America we knew is running on inertia alone. That ride is coming to an end.
Cops get shot fairly often because of this kind of stuff.
when it happens, it’s not making the news…
Or it’ll be portrayed as sanitized as possible under the guise of mental illness
its already being portrayed by media in a sanitized manner, not neccesarily with mental illness. they report, and then they stop tlaking about it, it helps normalize it.
I agree with you, but…while you say that, when there’s 10 brown shirts outside, ready to return fire, I don’t know how practical that ends up being…
It’s more practical with a super safety 😄
It’s not. High rate of fire ≠ combat effectiveness.
Shhhh, don’t ruin their fantasy!
The 2nd Amendment exists for when all the other Amendments fail.
If you don’t respect the 4th Amendment, maybe you’ll respect the 2nd Amendment.
Does USA needs a bit of democracy?
They will continue to escalate, also. They need a reason to halt the midterms. If they succeed at raids without opposition they get rid of a lot of people they already don’t like, and if we fight back, tRump enacts
MarshallMartial Law. We were fucked as soon as SCOUTS said presidents were above the law…*Martial
Sorry, it’s important.
I half did it in jest and half because I’m just a lowly registry hive!
Lol got it
Fuck off. We’ve been watching this for months. Do something about it already.
The thing is people don’t like to hear it but history has the answer. The only thing that stopped the Nazis was violence. If Hitler’s assassination attempt in the early 1940s had been successful history would never have even recorded his name.
And violence, starts at home. The international community won’t help and couldn’t help even if they wanted to. That will come in time, but Americans have to take responsibility for starting it.
If you won’t stand up for yourself, how do you expect anyone else to stand up for you. Seems pretty simple.
🔔🔔🔔 We have a winner
I keep seeing this. What is there to do?
Commit suicide by
copcapital defense force? Because that’s basically what “doing something” entails.Any positions that could “do something” are on the Fascist’s side, including the for profit news media. We are just as trapped in this capitalist web of coercion as we were before it went full fascist.
Why do you think filthy socialists and commies like myself were telling anyone who would listen, including getting laughed off of occupy Wall Street by the people we were trying to save, I was there, that the capital markets were our doom and our end? Because they were, and here we are.
I’m just glad their dream of this malice continuing in perpetuity truly is just a malignant dream. Climate change has something for this greedy, sociopathic civilization’s ass, and the fact that we’re turning our habitat against the species effectively permanently can’t be bribed, black bagged, discredited, dissappeared, reframed, or any of the other dirty tricks the capitalist fascists have used to get their way and steamroll the innocent.
drones open up a whole host of opportunity on this front, far as being a power equalizer…just saying
They’ve recently passed rules to make it a lot harder for regular Americans to get drones in the US.
Got details?
Bring the economy to a halt via general strike and street marches that disrupt traffic. Nothing short of that will get anyone’s attention.
there is one that worked effective , the railroad strikes, i believe that is enough to paralyze the gop/D congress to make the freakout. but they are currently satiated now, so unlike to want to strike now.
The US, it bears repeating captured by our capital markets, keeps most Americans on a paycheck to paycheck knives edge for that very reason. The ones most inclined to strike are the ones that have the most to lose by striking.
You’re asking tens of millions of people to lose the roof over their heads for a very uncertain outcome.
The sad reality is that the capitalist bastards have their bases covered. Not surprising considering their effectively limiltess capital and the generational grudge the wealth class has over the formation of unions here to begin with.
And you’re asking for death camps and fascism.
I mean, in my perfect world the people would unite and burn the capital markets that have brought us to this place to cinder, and have a people’s tribunal bring justice to the former largest stakeholders.
That could begin to right this ship, and really nothing short of that.
But I know they’d use their media to get us burning down each other’s homes looong before we get to Wall Street, so I know we’re irrevocably cooked. What do you propose that could conceivably circumvent all the soft and hard protections they’ve put in place?
Start our own police force?
Or start a community defense group like the Black Panthers
I mean, that’s just forming a gang, which I consider American police to simply be the largest and most well resourced of, a state sanctioned gang of gleefully violent thugs, unlike police in the developed world.
Police force, gang, militia…
Yeah inside how angry the people actually dealing with it are, fucking idiot
So angry that they’re willing to sit there and watch television while telling the world they can’t possibly do anything.
So it’s witnessed by dozens and filmed by none?
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they had people on the team specifically to look for and illegally confiscate any cameras they can see.
Yes, there have been reports that ICE agents are grabbing people’s cameras and destroying them. Probably the reason drones are banned over Chicago airspace right now also.
Maybe, but then why didn’t the interviewed witnesses say anything?
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just is weird there’s no footage.
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal. The government cannot just kick down a whole apartment building full of doors, enter homes, and arrest people at random without a warrant or exigent circumstances. The law is quite settled on this.
It is insane and highly illegal but following the law is not important to Trump, his regime, or his followers. MAGA doesn’t care when laws they break as long as they get to be bigots
“Welcome to City 17”
This is absolutely insane and highly illegal.
Add it to the list.
The “law” is being ignored as it was in pre- Nazi Germany when the brown shirts started arresting and beating and intimidating people. There is no law currently.
The big problem is that there IS law: the kind that favors the government. As of right now, people can’t go out and crush some ICE without the courts and police doing something about it.
Laws for thee, never for me
-The Conservative mantra playing out yet again.
See thats the fun part is ICE generates their own warrants without any attorneys or judges involved.
They are literally Gestapo.
Those do not allow entrance in a home ( but they won’t tell you that )
Apparently nobody told them that, either.
ICE Agent scribbles with crayon on a piece of paper
The ICE Agent proudly exclaims “Look! It’s a warrant!”
I’m thinking ICE was not given all that funding for nothing. They were probably already over-funded even before this year, and now they have multiples of what they had before.
Ghouls like Stephen Miller want to see that money spent on inflicting pain on others…
they just needed enough bodies, just incase people werent into targeting citizens.
