I assume “danger” and “drop & run” would be straightforward enough, but does casting comprehend languages cause the wizard to understand the concept of radiation (or cobalt, or how large a ‘curie’ is)?
Hmm, I think as a DM I would roll an arcana check to see if the wizard would conceivably have heard of radiation from arcane studies. It’s reasonable to assume people with arcane knowledge would be the first to hear about the strange metal chunks that everyone keeps dying around. One of them would have had to have come up with a word, if not some variation on “death cursed”
They have “ray of frost”. They can understand “radiation”. Not necessarily what is radiating but the word itself is old.
radiation(n.)
mid-15c., radiacion, “act or process of emitting light,” from Latin radiationem (nominative radiatio) “a shining, radiation,” noun of action from past-participle stem of radiare “to beam, shine, gleam; make beaming,” from radius “beam of light; spoke of a wheel” (see radius).
Tldr “radiate” is like 1500’s whereas “emitter” is a fairly modern word, from the 1880’s.
The latin source word is much older than 1500s, but the question is whether they understand what it’s about.
Both the 15th century “radiacion” and the latin “radiationem” are about emitting light and are synonymous with “to shine” or “to glow” (though without the heat connotation).
None of that conveys the sense of danger and fear of death that the modern word “radiation” means.
Kinda like how the word “plane” was in use in English in the 1600s and derives from the much older Latin word “planum”, but if I’d tell some from 1600s England or from ancient Rome that I took a plane/planum to another country, they’d be utterly confused about what that means.
The word is the same (or at least very similar), but the concept is unknown.
So you need to find a concept that’s similar to what you want to convey, and then use the fitting word.
For example, someone from the 1600s might understand the term “flying machine” (which was a well-known word in use in research and “science fiction” at that time).
A light emitter could be quite useful. If I am in a low-tech society, having a device or material that would emit light in the dark could be pretty desirable.
It might confuse me though, because that “light emitter” doesn’t actually emit any light at all. Maybe this ancient society was full of liers or maybe their devices are all expired and broken. Probably their warnings aren’t worth anything either.
I feel like radiation should have some sort of translatable element as a generic radiant danger, but for the rest… if it doesn’t make sense without context in the source language, does it make sense after ‘comprehend language’? Kinda feels like we need a ‘comprehend science’ or something if they wanted to grasp the idea of specific elements and units of measure.
Researchers came up with a warning symbol for this exact scenario
“In the aftermath of repeated incidents where the public was exposed to radiation from orphan sources, a common factor reappeared: individuals who encountered the source were unfamiliar with the trefoil radiation warning symbol, and were in some cases not familiar with the concept of radiation.
During a study in the early 2000s, it was found that only 6% of those surveyed in India, Brazil and Kenya could correctly identify the meaning of the trefoil symbol.”
This glyph clearly portrays the object with the ☢️ symbol bringing someone back from the dead! We should consume the blue powder inside this metal case, as it’s clearly a kind of medicine
This kind of symbology is never going to work. We know what archaeologists do when they understand the “you will die if you break this seal” message. Ain’t no symbol is going to keep a damn human from cracking open the glowy blue box
I’m curious what testing and what people. Unless it’s an as-yet uncontacted tribe in the Amazon rainforest, I’m not convinced that they successfully made a universally understood sign of danger.
And even if the message gets across, I will reiterate: when archaeologists understand that a message says “entering here will kill you,” it only makes them want to enter more. Future post-post-apocalypse archaeologists will treat our nuclear waste disposal sites with as much care as a 19th century British scholar would have treated the pyramids. We’re a curious bunch. Best we can hope for is that we keep making Geiger counters
I’m well aware. Personally, I like to think of it from the opposite perspective; what message might we find that someone could have written 10,000 years ago that would convince us not to mess with something? The only proposals that work are ones that involve translating the dangers of radioactivity to new languages. Either that, or bury it deep in a place that isn’t expected to be particularly habitable for a few thousand years. Every physical marker is just begging for an archaeologist to discover why exactly they were constructed
I assume “danger” and “drop & run” would be straightforward enough, but does casting comprehend languages cause the wizard to understand the concept of radiation (or cobalt, or how large a ‘curie’ is)?
Hmm, I think as a DM I would roll an arcana check to see if the wizard would conceivably have heard of radiation from arcane studies. It’s reasonable to assume people with arcane knowledge would be the first to hear about the strange metal chunks that everyone keeps dying around. One of them would have had to have come up with a word, if not some variation on “death cursed”
Sickglow stones?
I’d personally translate it to the closest word they have.
If I decided they didn’t have a word that was directly equivalent, in this case I’d use the closest word, “light-emitting”.
“cancer-light”
Make it fancy. “Malluminance” or something
Disease-light might be the best medieval equivalent, actually.
“Death-light”, maybe? Depending on the intensity.
They have “ray of frost”. They can understand “radiation”. Not necessarily what is radiating but the word itself is old.
radiation(n.)
mid-15c., radiacion, “act or process of emitting light,” from Latin radiationem (nominative radiatio) “a shining, radiation,” noun of action from past-participle stem of radiare “to beam, shine, gleam; make beaming,” from radius “beam of light; spoke of a wheel” (see radius).
Tldr “radiate” is like 1500’s whereas “emitter” is a fairly modern word, from the 1880’s.
The latin source word is much older than 1500s, but the question is whether they understand what it’s about.
Both the 15th century “radiacion” and the latin “radiationem” are about emitting light and are synonymous with “to shine” or “to glow” (though without the heat connotation).
None of that conveys the sense of danger and fear of death that the modern word “radiation” means.
Kinda like how the word “plane” was in use in English in the 1600s and derives from the much older Latin word “planum”, but if I’d tell some from 1600s England or from ancient Rome that I took a plane/planum to another country, they’d be utterly confused about what that means.
The word is the same (or at least very similar), but the concept is unknown.
So you need to find a concept that’s similar to what you want to convey, and then use the fitting word.
For example, someone from the 1600s might understand the term “flying machine” (which was a well-known word in use in research and “science fiction” at that time).
No, they don’t convey the sense of danger, I agree.
But “light-emitter” would be worse than “it radiates death/evil”, imho
You think?
A light emitter could be quite useful. If I am in a low-tech society, having a device or material that would emit light in the dark could be pretty desirable.
It might confuse me though, because that “light emitter” doesn’t actually emit any light at all. Maybe this ancient society was full of liers or maybe their devices are all expired and broken. Probably their warnings aren’t worth anything either.
That is a really good question…
I feel like radiation should have some sort of translatable element as a generic radiant danger, but for the rest… if it doesn’t make sense without context in the source language, does it make sense after ‘comprehend language’? Kinda feels like we need a ‘comprehend science’ or something if they wanted to grasp the idea of specific elements and units of measure.
“In the aftermath of repeated incidents where the public was exposed to radiation from orphan sources, a common factor reappeared: individuals who encountered the source were unfamiliar with the trefoil radiation warning symbol, and were in some cases not familiar with the concept of radiation. During a study in the early 2000s, it was found that only 6% of those surveyed in India, Brazil and Kenya could correctly identify the meaning of the trefoil symbol.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_21482
This glyph clearly portrays the object with the ☢️ symbol bringing someone back from the dead! We should consume the blue powder inside this metal case, as it’s clearly a kind of medicine
This kind of symbology is never going to work. We know what archaeologists do when they understand the “you will die if you break this seal” message. Ain’t no symbol is going to keep a damn human from cracking open the glowy blue box
I mean, testing showed it generally got the point across even if people didn’t understand why it was dangerous
I’m curious what testing and what people. Unless it’s an as-yet uncontacted tribe in the Amazon rainforest, I’m not convinced that they successfully made a universally understood sign of danger.
And even if the message gets across, I will reiterate: when archaeologists understand that a message says “entering here will kill you,” it only makes them want to enter more. Future post-post-apocalypse archaeologists will treat our nuclear waste disposal sites with as much care as a 19th century British scholar would have treated the pyramids. We’re a curious bunch. Best we can hope for is that we keep making Geiger counters
This is about protecting poorly educated people now, not about being meaningful to people who don’t know the poison symbol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warning_messages
People have put alot of thought into this exact topic and there’s no easy answers
I’m well aware. Personally, I like to think of it from the opposite perspective; what message might we find that someone could have written 10,000 years ago that would convince us not to mess with something? The only proposals that work are ones that involve translating the dangers of radioactivity to new languages. Either that, or bury it deep in a place that isn’t expected to be particularly habitable for a few thousand years. Every physical marker is just begging for an archaeologist to discover why exactly they were constructed
So like a Pioneer plaque but spelling out in pictogram form particle physics and nuclear decay
Lots of “stops” everywhere and and skulls in red triangles, yeah, that should be somewhat clear toa lot of people. But not everyone