I’d hope its just major stockholm syndrome at this point. Like she doesn’t see that the democrats as the Hindenburg at this point…
They probably all still think its identity politics while the rest of the world sees it as “fuck the corporatist establishment, if we aren’t going to get any recognition, might as well burn it down with populism”
It’s still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.
Oh good, so we can have JDV as President. I’m SO relieved… lol. Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up “imPEriAlisM.” Why am I unsurprised.
Harris was still better on issues of police state, imperialism, and genocide. If I was a Palestinian, my chances for me and my family to survive were better in the hands of Harris than Donald Trump who — checks notes — (a) Did not mentions support for a 2-state solution, (b) Told bibi to “finish the job,” and (c) post-election stated Gaza should be turned into “the next Riviera.”
Not to mention the other genocide being perpetrated by Russia right now in Ukraine, which Democrats have 100% been better on as well.
Edit: Oh, they are actually Russian, lol. No wonder.
Oh? You checked your notes and the only arguments you could conjure were completely immaterial nonsense like what Harris said while she was murdering hundreds of thousands of people? She said nicer things so she’s better?
Rational bystanders, take note. Lots of wedge-driving astroturfing red hats on here.
EDIT: Bonus: “How soy” he says, LOL.
Take a look at their moderation history and what they’ve been banned for in the past.
Take a look at their comment history to see gems such as, “Death to America,” “Name a Russian colony,” and “want to see a westerner have a full on tantrum? Suggest to them that their actions are not always morally neutral” LOL.
Probably a Russian troll bot, trying to put some bread on the table with the few rubles they make.
“Please donate to Harris, it’s the only way to win.”
That’s the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.
I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.
When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they’re going to think, “This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him.”
I saw messages like that, too, and went, “Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist.”
It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.
Talarico’s messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.
However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can’t confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.
Literally anyone. ANY average person should’ve been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn’t isn’t proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it’s proof the rich wield all the megaphones.
Corporatists? Are you looking for the word corpocrats or corporatocrats?
Edit: corporatocracy is a government ran by corporate business interests, such as we see in the US.
Corporatism is a governance principle that government is a meeting ground for “corporate groups” to make decisions. Corporate groups represent a group of people, typically business leaders but also unions.
In a fascist corporatist state like Mussolini’s Italy this meant keeping business and union leaders close to keep a close eye on them for greater control. In a social corporatist state like Sweden, this means those same leaders have a legally mandated place in the government to get the benefits of capitalist growth tempered by the demands of common workers to receive a fair share of that growth and ensure safe working/living conditions.
I don’t think the powers that be in the US want unions anywhere close to the government, so I don’t think corporatist is the right term.
Yeah, those few citizens not buying their bullshit can make all the difference.
It’s why we should focus all of our efforts on making sure people like her never become the nominee, because that’s essentially handing the presidency to the republicans.
Although I think we also need to take a step further back and wonder how the fuck we could get to the point where Trump was a viable option in the first place. In essence, that really is the bigger issue at hand. Not that Harris wasn’t good enough; but that Trump was perceived as somehow being better by vast swaths of the electorate. That is deeply fucked. Naturally, we know this has to deal with wealth inequality and who controls the media. far-right white billionaires.
Going forward it’s my hope that we see more of the likes of AOC and Talarico. They are clearly the future of this party. Progressive messaging meets wit and charisma and authenticity.
The problem isn’t one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections, when certain states fight each other over who gets to go first.
In 2020, the first primary was February 3rd and the final one wasn’t until August 11th. Six months. Just for the primary. 190 days.
Harris had 107. AND still had to run a campaign for the general too. So, no. There was no time for a proper primary, not unless Biden dropped out in 2023.
The problem isn’t one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections
Not attacking you personally, but again this smells like a bullshit excuse. More people voted in America idol than in the primary and they have no problem.
Actually, I made that last statistic up, but it feels right. The point is that in 2025 there is no excuse.
Oh, more people DEFINITELY voted in American Idol. 😉 But US elections have more restrictions and security as well and protections against double voting and so on. You can’t vote by phone or online in a US election either, that’s illegal.
So, 107 days to run both a primary in 50 states AND a general election.
Candidates have to announce, prepare platforms, and debate. Ballots have to be printed and mailed for mail in voting states, after the election it can take a week to verify and certify. And THEN, whoever wins, still has to compete in the general election with zero time to prep, debate, etc. 107 days was not enough time.
This is why I say, yes, if Biden dropped out in 2023, by all means, lets have a proper primary.
At which point the DNC would have put their thumb on the scale as they did in 2020 and 2016 and we get Harris anyway.
But there was a 2024 Democratic Primaries, and Biden won?
Incumbents have a massive advantage by default, and it was very hard for anyone to challenge that. Biden had to commit to being a 1-term President and step down.
Take that back before i have to defend Donald trump. Take that back right now. Maybe just add some qualifiers–just mitigate that blatantly untrue statement. This is violence. You’re doing violence to me. Please dont force me to do this.
lol ok whatever. Instead of just turning Palestinian children into paste lets also permit masses of African children to starve, open up concentration camps for Immigrant South Americans, embolden white supremacists & nazis, destroy healthcare for millions of poor Americans, and stoke stochastic terrorism towards trans people.
I mean, we might as well shoot for the stars right? Why only do a half step towards dystopia? Might as well go full hog.
Well he’s willing to admit to frustration with zionists, which is closer to stopping the american bombing of Palestine than any dem has been. His transphobia is opportunistic and not a deeply held conviction like harris’. We at least hear about the camps and deportations, which we do not under blue admins. It will be easier to organize labor resistance under him than it would have been under Harris. He and his followers–while much worse smelling–are about 10% less victim blamey and obnoxious. Trump was much funnier before he went senile, and remains a gift to comedy writers. Probably some other stuff I didn’t think of.
OK thank you for revealing some of your delusions and mental gymnastics. You are so far gone that I don’t think it’d be productive even having a discussion with you.
I hope you experience the maximum amount of cognitive dissonance over the next 3 years and realize how politically destructive you have been to the well being of yourself, your fellow workers, and humanity as a whole. I hope you agonize and despair. Just before a vacuum decay event happens and erases all of our sorry existence.
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BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I’ve very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I’ve been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I’m done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide”. Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I’m not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren’t capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone’s time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you’ve self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We’re already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty’s destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
No wonder she lost.
I’d hope its just major stockholm syndrome at this point. Like she doesn’t see that the democrats as the Hindenburg at this point…
They probably all still think its identity politics while the rest of the world sees it as “fuck the corporatist establishment, if we aren’t going to get any recognition, might as well burn it down with populism”
It’s still fucked considering she was better in every way compared to the other option. That said, yes she has zero charisma and authenticity. Her entire platform is consultancy-crafted buzzwords and ambiguity.
He’ll die sooner
She was not ambiguous about her support for the police state, imperialism, nor genocide
Oh good, so we can have JDV as President. I’m SO relieved… lol. Tankie from lemmy.ml bringing up “imPEriAlisM.” Why am I unsurprised.
Harris was still better on issues of police state, imperialism, and genocide. If I was a Palestinian, my chances for me and my family to survive were better in the hands of Harris than Donald Trump who — checks notes — (a) Did not mentions support for a 2-state solution, (b) Told bibi to “finish the job,” and (c) post-election stated Gaza should be turned into “the next Riviera.”
Not to mention the other genocide being perpetrated by Russia right now in Ukraine, which Democrats have 100% been better on as well.
Edit: Oh, they are actually Russian, lol. No wonder.
Douche chill.
Oh? You checked your notes and the only arguments you could conjure were completely immaterial nonsense like what Harris said while she was murdering hundreds of thousands of people? She said nicer things so she’s better?
You have a baby brain.
Or you just explicitly don’t value human life if it’s brown and on the other side of imaginary line.
God. Imagine even bringing up the concept of the millions of dead overseas we’re responsible for. How soy. How mockable.
I need to spend three times as long typing this word just so everyone knows how silly valuing human life is in my eyes.
Found the maga bot.
Tagged!
Rational bystanders, take note. Lots of wedge-driving astroturfing red hats on here.
EDIT: Bonus: “How soy” he says, LOL.
Probably a Russian troll bot, trying to put some bread on the table with the few rubles they make.
Slava Ukraini!
American brains are so cooked by their media environment they cannot comprehend a world without exactly two political positions.
Someone disagreed with me? But I’m good! That must mean they are from bad!
No thought stopping cliches needed here. No thinking in the first place.
“Please donate to Harris, it’s the only way to win.”
That’s the only message I got from her. Lots of talk around other messages but the one they hammered home in all their canvassing, sms and such was MONEY.
I mean yeah. I canvassed for Harris and when targeting swing-voters and Republicans, this obviously was not the messaging.
When targeting those who actually voted for Democrats historically, of course they’re going to think, “This person is aware of what is at stake and that Harris is objectively better in every way. So we need to get money for the war chest because the opposition has more billionaires, Russia, and Israel backing him.”
I saw messages like that, too, and went, “Yep take my money. Defeat this fucking fascist.”
It was exceedingly obvious 2024 was a populist election, and she let Trump take that mantle and run with it. Bernie would have mopped the floor with these corporatists. This is why Mamdani is ascendant.
Talarico’s messaging would probably be perfect for this. Progressive message packaged in religious dogma.
However, given the control billionaires have over media and the what they see, I can’t confidently say anyone could win in that uneven playing-field.
Literally anyone. ANY average person should’ve been able to beat the monster that is Trump. That we couldn’t isn’t proof Harris sucked (in fairness, she was pretty poor); it’s proof the rich wield all the megaphones.
Corporatists? Are you looking for the word corpocrats or corporatocrats?
Edit: corporatocracy is a government ran by corporate business interests, such as we see in the US.
Corporatism is a governance principle that government is a meeting ground for “corporate groups” to make decisions. Corporate groups represent a group of people, typically business leaders but also unions.
In a fascist corporatist state like Mussolini’s Italy this meant keeping business and union leaders close to keep a close eye on them for greater control. In a social corporatist state like Sweden, this means those same leaders have a legally mandated place in the government to get the benefits of capitalist growth tempered by the demands of common workers to receive a fair share of that growth and ensure safe working/living conditions.
I don’t think the powers that be in the US want unions anywhere close to the government, so I don’t think corporatist is the right term.
Yeah, those few citizens not buying their bullshit can make all the difference.
It’s why we should focus all of our efforts on making sure people like her never become the nominee, because that’s essentially handing the presidency to the republicans.
Yep, agreed.
Although I think we also need to take a step further back and wonder how the fuck we could get to the point where Trump was a viable option in the first place. In essence, that really is the bigger issue at hand. Not that Harris wasn’t good enough; but that Trump was perceived as somehow being better by vast swaths of the electorate. That is deeply fucked. Naturally, we know this has to deal with wealth inequality and who controls the media. far-right white billionaires.
Going forward it’s my hope that we see more of the likes of AOC and Talarico. They are clearly the future of this party. Progressive messaging meets wit and charisma and authenticity.
It’s been a fucking decade. You have zero excuse to not have an answer for this by now. If you don’t, blame yourself and your ideology.
False binary.
One of the other options was a fair open primary.
That is Biden’s fault not Harris’s.
I’d add the DNC leadership to the blame.
If Biden had dropped out earlier or decided not to run, absolutely.
But there was no way to run a 50 state primary before the election with 100 days to go.
Democrats would still be arguing over a venue at this point.
I don’t buy that excuse. They didn’t want to. Every other country in the world can organise a full election in under 100 days.
A short campaign was likely a benefit, quite frankly, considering how badly it was run.
The problem isn’t one election, the problem is running 50 individual elections, when certain states fight each other over who gets to go first.
In 2020, the first primary was February 3rd and the final one wasn’t until August 11th. Six months. Just for the primary. 190 days.
Harris had 107. AND still had to run a campaign for the general too. So, no. There was no time for a proper primary, not unless Biden dropped out in 2023.
Not attacking you personally, but again this smells like a bullshit excuse. More people voted in America idol than in the primary and they have no problem.
Actually, I made that last statistic up, but it feels right. The point is that in 2025 there is no excuse.
Oh, more people DEFINITELY voted in American Idol. 😉 But US elections have more restrictions and security as well and protections against double voting and so on. You can’t vote by phone or online in a US election either, that’s illegal.
So, 107 days to run both a primary in 50 states AND a general election.
Candidates have to announce, prepare platforms, and debate. Ballots have to be printed and mailed for mail in voting states, after the election it can take a week to verify and certify. And THEN, whoever wins, still has to compete in the general election with zero time to prep, debate, etc. 107 days was not enough time.
This is why I say, yes, if Biden dropped out in 2023, by all means, lets have a proper primary.
At which point the DNC would have put their thumb on the scale as they did in 2020 and 2016 and we get Harris anyway.
Can only do that if Biden chose to step down; by the time Biden actually dropped out there wasn’t feasible time.
This is why I easily blame Biden and his yes-men for about 80% of the loss or more.
And in the end, it wasn’t a false dichotomy; it was binary when people opted to vote or not.
No no. The rule that being president means you run for your second term unopposed in your party is also bullshit.
But there was a 2024 Democratic Primaries, and Biden won?
Incumbents have a massive advantage by default, and it was very hard for anyone to challenge that. Biden had to commit to being a 1-term President and step down.
I still blame Biden for 80% or more.
You’re still pretending the democratic party has primaries?
Take that back before i have to defend Donald trump. Take that back right now. Maybe just add some qualifiers–just mitigate that blatantly untrue statement. This is violence. You’re doing violence to me. Please dont force me to do this.
Drop the embarrassingly bad jokes. Go ahead and defend Donald Trump. Take ownership of your fucking position you coward.
He said, supporting a genocide and pretending the opposite
lol ok whatever. Instead of just turning Palestinian children into paste lets also permit masses of African children to starve, open up concentration camps for Immigrant South Americans, embolden white supremacists & nazis, destroy healthcare for millions of poor Americans, and stoke stochastic terrorism towards trans people.
I mean, we might as well shoot for the stars right? Why only do a half step towards dystopia? Might as well go full hog.
Well he’s willing to admit to frustration with zionists, which is closer to stopping the american bombing of Palestine than any dem has been. His transphobia is opportunistic and not a deeply held conviction like harris’. We at least hear about the camps and deportations, which we do not under blue admins. It will be easier to organize labor resistance under him than it would have been under Harris. He and his followers–while much worse smelling–are about 10% less victim blamey and obnoxious. Trump was much funnier before he went senile, and remains a gift to comedy writers. Probably some other stuff I didn’t think of.
OK thank you for revealing some of your delusions and mental gymnastics. You are so far gone that I don’t think it’d be productive even having a discussion with you.
I hope you experience the maximum amount of cognitive dissonance over the next 3 years and realize how politically destructive you have been to the well being of yourself, your fellow workers, and humanity as a whole. I hope you agonize and despair. Just before a vacuum decay event happens and erases all of our sorry existence.
Bot reply. Literally zero connection to the comment above it. Doesn’t acknowledge the list of items presented. Believes you can be convincing with pure smugness.
BlueAnon. Zero fundamental difference from MAGA. No policy differences. Just paying attention now that the incompetent fascist is in power. Just came back from a 4 year brunch.
I’ve very likely been paying attention longer than you have you stupid shit. Long before Trump. And make no mistake: fuck the DNC too. Fuck Harris. Fuck Biden. Fuck Schumer. Fuck Clinton.
But man, I’ve been paying attention too fucking long. I sick of it. I’m done.
So also fuck you. Fuck Hasan Piker, Fuck Twitter lefties, Fuck Jill Stein, Fuck BadEmpanada, Fuck SecondThought, Fuck Hakim, Fuck Tankies, Fuck Campists, Fuck every dumb shit who said “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide”. Fuck them all with a rusty shiv on fire.
I’m not trying to convince you to change your views because you brainlets aren’t capable of rational thinking anyway. It would 100% be a waste of everyone’s time. I just hate you for your stupidity and the harm you’ve self-righteously brought upon everyone and I want you to know that because nothing matters. There is nothing for us to discuss, we are enemies.
Go ahead and not vote in 2026 and 2028 buddy. Go ahead and never vote. Hell, go ahead and vote republican lol. We’re already fucked. It doesn’t matter. Let it all burn.
I feel bad for the kids, they did not choose this. It is being thrust upon them because stubborn liberals and contrarian lefty’s destroyed their future. What a fucking waste.
So what do you, like… Believe in?
Every. Fucking. Way.