• talkingpumpkin@lemmy.worldOP
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    9 hours ago

    Look, in all honesty… both Palestinians and Israeli have failed at democracy: one side put Hamas into power (well, in Gaza) and the other side gave power to Netanyahu…

    I couldn’t say which is worse between the two governments, nor I think debating it will get us anywhere; what I can say (with absolute certainty and no fear of being disproved) is that neither one reach the minimum level of decency human beings should expect from any government.

    Let’s stop debating who is more wrong between Israel and Hamas: they are both unimaginably wrong.

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      2 hours ago

      They didn’t say “Hamas” , they said “Palestinians”, i.e. the ethnic group.
      Just for exposition, let’s flip it round and see how disgusting it is:

      I get why you hate Hamas, but a lot of pro-Jewish people are just choosing to ignore who Jews really are.

      Jews aren’t exactly democratic, don’t care much about human rights, and don’t respect other ethnicities or religions.

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        8 minutes ago

        Personally, I do blame both the Palestinian and Israeli people (not only their governments) for what is happening now, and for what has been happening for decades beforehand (of course this doesn’t mean that each and every Palestinian person is to blame, and the same is true on the Israeli side).

        I even dare saying that I think neither people deserve to self-govern, since they have shown to be unable to do it responsibly.

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      2 hours ago

      I couldn’t say which is worse between the two governments

      Hamas. Hamas is worse, but then again it’s barely a government. Which is one of the many reasons why palestine is not a country.

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        41 minutes ago

        I don’t really see the point in ranking who is worse (I mean… what do you/mankind get once such a ranking is established?), but for the sake of argument: what criterion are you going by?

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          19 minutes ago

          what do you/mankind get once such a ranking is established

          From principles potentially comes a clarity of opinion.

          what criterion are you going by?

          There are plenty of ways in which Israel is bad and if you look at any of those, Hamas is worse. But the overall bottom line difference is visible when we look at what would be the ideal end game for both of these entities: Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas (and many others in that area) wants to destroy Israel, and the liberal west in general too.

          That they are unable to do so doesn’t remove the fact that they would very much want to. Global Jihad is not a conspiracy theory.