Honestly, if women, as well as persons of color and the LGBTQIA+ community, having rights and freedoms is such a threat to America - both as a country and a “way of life” - and they cannot coexist, then as an American I would happily say goodbye to America.
~What that means, and how that would work, scares the ever loving shit out of me, but no one deserves the shit America does to them.~
I feel the same, but also fuck that I was born here and I will not be run off by goddamn nazis. On one hand I’d like to leave, the other hand would like to punch every fascist over and over until THEY fuck off.
If you’re going to emigrate, you better do it fast. I wouldn’t bet that it’s still possible without significant effort (“hide for 1000 miles in a lead-lined suitcase in a car trunk”-levels of effort) in a year - locking in their population is a really common thing in dictatorships, and AFAIK confiscated passports (if you had a proper passport in the first place) are already a thing in the US.
Plus, if there’s ever a mass emigration wave, many of the more desirable destion countries are definitely going to close the door to you. AFAIK it’s already fairly complicated to emigrate from the US to most european countries.
I was thinking more along the lines of the German Democratic Republic or North Korea - Israel at least lets its Jewish population emigrate, but in many dictatorships, absolutely no one is allowed to. Not sure which it’s going to be, Apartheit-style or North Korea-style, but if you’re not part of the ingroup, the difference probably doesn’t matter.
Judging by what I’ve seen so far, wealthy countries don’t care for refugees even if they’re well-educated people from the US. On top of that, the US is able to exert pressure on most western countries to not make them recognize the US as unsafe for asylum seekers, even if a destination country wants to do it.
Maybe something like Brazil might be an option, but it’s politically volatile - next time it has a rightwing government, all the US refugees might be shipped back to the US. Seems like at this point, all the countries that are consistently willing to oppose the US are either not much better or too volatile to be sure that they won’t turn on you.
Honestly, if women, as well as persons of color and the LGBTQIA+ community, having rights and freedoms is such a threat to America - both as a country and a “way of life” - and they cannot coexist, then as an American I would happily say goodbye to America.
~What that means, and how that would work, scares the ever loving shit out of me, but no one deserves the shit America does to them.~
It’s not a threat to America, but to a few elites, christian fundamentalists, and white nationalists. They just convinced others to follow suit.
I feel the same, but also fuck that I was born here and I will not be run off by goddamn nazis. On one hand I’d like to leave, the other hand would like to punch every fascist over and over until THEY fuck off.
If you’re going to emigrate, you better do it fast. I wouldn’t bet that it’s still possible without significant effort (“hide for 1000 miles in a lead-lined suitcase in a car trunk”-levels of effort) in a year - locking in their population is a really common thing in dictatorships, and AFAIK confiscated passports (if you had a proper passport in the first place) are already a thing in the US.
Plus, if there’s ever a mass emigration wave, many of the more desirable destion countries are definitely going to close the door to you. AFAIK it’s already fairly complicated to emigrate from the US to most european countries.
Israel literally stops people from emigrating.
I was thinking more along the lines of the German Democratic Republic or North Korea - Israel at least lets its Jewish population emigrate, but in many dictatorships, absolutely no one is allowed to. Not sure which it’s going to be, Apartheit-style or North Korea-style, but if you’re not part of the ingroup, the difference probably doesn’t matter.
I remember meeting a guy from East Berlin soon after the Wall fell, he was super excited at getting to travel outside the GDR (we were in Kenya).
Depends on how other countries (particularly Canada) would feel about refugees.
Judging by what I’ve seen so far, wealthy countries don’t care for refugees even if they’re well-educated people from the US. On top of that, the US is able to exert pressure on most western countries to not make them recognize the US as unsafe for asylum seekers, even if a destination country wants to do it.
Maybe something like Brazil might be an option, but it’s politically volatile - next time it has a rightwing government, all the US refugees might be shipped back to the US. Seems like at this point, all the countries that are consistently willing to oppose the US are either not much better or too volatile to be sure that they won’t turn on you.