• OccamsRazer@lemmy.world
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        6 hours ago

        Yeah well that’s a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn’t work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn’t a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.

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        8 hours ago

        The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion…

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          8 hours ago

          You claimed it is impossible to murder your way into democracy, I gave you an example of people murdering their way into democracy.

          Shifting the goalposts to be about ‘muh freeze peaches’ is weak.

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              7 hours ago

              What’s wrong with the example? The revolutionaries killed until they were able to establish a democracy, directly refuting your claim.

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                They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas. In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them. They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights, which specifically states that the right to free speech transcends government. The government that they wanted could only exist if people could freely exchange ideas without fear of being murdered (or imprisoned) for them. That’s why its a particularly bad example.

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                  They fought a war against an opposing army, not by assassinating people exercising their right to discuss opinions and ideas

                  Of course it’s morally superior to kill a conscript (the British army was largely comprised of conscripts) than it is to kill a propagandist who advocates for political violence. /s

                  In fact they fought FOR the right to have opinions and ideas and to express them.

                  Utter rubbish. The war was instigated over matters of taxation and trade.

                  They thought it was so important to protect that right, that they put it into the bill of rights

                  It was so important that it was left out of the Constitution and had to be submitted as a bill to amend the Constitution.

                  Hardly sounds like the defining cause of the rebellion if they forgot to put it in their foundational document the first time around.

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      11 hours ago

      The infrastructure for democracy is already there. It’s just been shelved temporarily by the current admin.

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        10 hours ago

        Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it’s a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it’s a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It’s not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.

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          This is just the trolley problem. If you can save 5 people by killing 1, is it correct to do so, or take no action?

          Well, we’ve got lots of people taking no action, and look where that’s got us.

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            8 hours ago

            You don’t get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn’t some complicated ethical dilemma.