Honest question what do businesses do when someone does the former? Hire for the summer only and when the person comes back they lay the other person off?
No, just your job duties are split amongst your team until you get back. The corporate overlords keep churning, even if your parents or child dies. Don’t have enough PTO allocated? Then you’ll get fired.
Living in a country with MANDATORY five weeks vacations and basically unlimited sick timeout (during which you cannot be fired BY LAW) I find extremely alien and disgusting the whole concept of ‘accrued PTO’
How do you guys let your employers do this to you?
Balance the workload. Usually a lot of people go on a holiday so there is less work for us (IT). Alot of my colleagues like the airconditioning in the office so they stay in.
Well depending on the size of the organisation and the nature of the work. You either hire a temp or balance the team/workload for the vacation time. As an example; in Sweden, it is mandated by law that workers have the right to take 4 consecutive weeks between June 1 and august 31. So as long as the team is no smaller than 3 you should only have to balance or extend time frames for work during this period. Even if the work is qualified.
There is something referred to as a industry vacation here as well. Its when a factory just shuts all production for 4 weeks and everybody goes on vacation at the same time.
Do note, that you don’t have to take 4 of your 5-6 weeks of payed vacation during this time. But you have the right to.
Every year the employer has until first of April to schedule, plan and approve all vacation for the summer.
Hope that helps. If you have more questions I’ll gladly answer them. I’m a union man and have negotiated quite a few vacation plans.
Hope that helps. If you have more questions I’ll gladly answer them. I’m a union man and have negotiated quite a few vacation plans.
Any chance the Engineers of Sweden (Sverigas ingenjörer?) or other, similar union have resources for foreign engineers looking to join/work? I researched and started the work visa and job hunt processes earlier this year but didn’t make it too far without knowledge and guidance.
I’m not in or associated with that Union but, what I could find is that they have some prerequisites that need to be met in order to be eligible to join.
According to their statutes :
"211 Rätt till medlemskap i förbundet har den som har avlagt ingenjörsexamen omfattande minst
180 högskolepoäng vid svensk högskola eller den som har likvärdig utländsk examen och har
svensk anknytning. Förbundsstyrelsen får efter särskild prövning bevilja annan person "
English translation:
“211 The right to membership of the association is granted to those who have completed an engineering degree of at least 180 credits at a Swedish university or to those who hold an equivalent foreign degree and are Swedish-affiliated. The Federal Administration may, after special examination, grant other person”
My interpretation of that clause; is that if you reside in Sweden and work here, you should be eligible to be a member. But that’s not for me to decide.
They refer all questions to their contact form and welcome all questions regarding becoming a member, but ask that its done through the contact form. Could only find the contact form page in swedish.
Thank you for the assistance! From my earlier research I do hold a qualifying engineering degree. I’m also interested in studying for a Masters or potentially PhD at Göthenburg, but frankly will accept any path to legally move and work somewhere that isn’t the US. The EU in general and Sweden or Germany in particular have been my focus thus far and I sincerely appreciate a new route to investigate.
After some really quick checking i would say fastest safest way (to get permanent recedency) is probably study permit, look for work during studying with an employer open to up your hours once your studies are over. So you can get a work permit. And before you known it 4 years have passed you can apply for permanent residence. One more year then apply for citizenship.
Edit: since you said you were open to studying
Edit 2: you probably already knew all this. If so read this as someone trying support your decision rather than some rando on the interwebs over splaining.
I found the individual pieces through my research earlier this year. Laying it out for me plainly really helps and has me revisiting the idea. I think I stumbled after learning about the need for enough funding to self-support? I’ll look into it more.
Thank you, I really appreciate your help and encouragement.
Either that, or more realistically, the output of the company tanks during the summer. It’s ok because everyone expects most people to be on vacation during the summer time and everyone will just work around it.
Most companies know not to take projects on over that period. Since every company works like that it’s not a problem. You could higher temporary contractors but realistically those contractors are going to charge a lot of money, because they also don’t want to be working over the summer. Best to just plan around it.
Not in Europe but similar situation. You either have enough staff in the team, or staff that with similar skills in other teams, that someone can cover them for that period, or you hire a contractor. Also depends how long they’re gone and how urgent things are.
But usually you hire slightly more staff than you need. I mean what if someone gets really sick? What if you suddenly get multiple urgent things? In the down time there’s extra things you can do that aren’t “make new shit” so it’s not like you’re paying people to do nothing.
Honest question what do businesses do when someone does the former? Hire for the summer only and when the person comes back they lay the other person off?
No, just your job duties are split amongst your team until you get back. The corporate overlords keep churning, even if your parents or child dies. Don’t have enough PTO allocated? Then you’ll get fired.
Living in a country with MANDATORY five weeks vacations and basically unlimited sick timeout (during which you cannot be fired BY LAW) I find extremely alien and disgusting the whole concept of ‘accrued PTO’
How do you guys let your employers do this to you?
Lol no you can’t do that. Many students work during the summer and get a one month contract, or pace is just slower during the summer.
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Balance the workload. Usually a lot of people go on a holiday so there is less work for us (IT). Alot of my colleagues like the airconditioning in the office so they stay in.
Many companies are closed during 3-4 weeks in summer.
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Well depending on the size of the organisation and the nature of the work. You either hire a temp or balance the team/workload for the vacation time. As an example; in Sweden, it is mandated by law that workers have the right to take 4 consecutive weeks between June 1 and august 31. So as long as the team is no smaller than 3 you should only have to balance or extend time frames for work during this period. Even if the work is qualified.
There is something referred to as a industry vacation here as well. Its when a factory just shuts all production for 4 weeks and everybody goes on vacation at the same time.
Do note, that you don’t have to take 4 of your 5-6 weeks of payed vacation during this time. But you have the right to.
Every year the employer has until first of April to schedule, plan and approve all vacation for the summer.
Hope that helps. If you have more questions I’ll gladly answer them. I’m a union man and have negotiated quite a few vacation plans.
Any chance the Engineers of Sweden (Sverigas ingenjörer?) or other, similar union have resources for foreign engineers looking to join/work? I researched and started the work visa and job hunt processes earlier this year but didn’t make it too far without knowledge and guidance.
I’m not in or associated with that Union but, what I could find is that they have some prerequisites that need to be met in order to be eligible to join.
According to their statutes :
"211 Rätt till medlemskap i förbundet har den som har avlagt ingenjörsexamen omfattande minst 180 högskolepoäng vid svensk högskola eller den som har likvärdig utländsk examen och har svensk anknytning. Förbundsstyrelsen får efter särskild prövning bevilja annan person "
English translation: “211 The right to membership of the association is granted to those who have completed an engineering degree of at least 180 credits at a Swedish university or to those who hold an equivalent foreign degree and are Swedish-affiliated. The Federal Administration may, after special examination, grant other person”
My interpretation of that clause; is that if you reside in Sweden and work here, you should be eligible to be a member. But that’s not for me to decide.
They refer all questions to their contact form and welcome all questions regarding becoming a member, but ask that its done through the contact form. Could only find the contact form page in swedish.
Hope this helps.
https://www.sverigesingenjorer.se/hjalp-kontakt/kontakta-oss/
Edit: you of course also have to have an engineering degree minimum 180 swedish university points or equivalent.
Thank you for the assistance! From my earlier research I do hold a qualifying engineering degree. I’m also interested in studying for a Masters or potentially PhD at Göthenburg, but frankly will accept any path to legally move and work somewhere that isn’t the US. The EU in general and Sweden or Germany in particular have been my focus thus far and I sincerely appreciate a new route to investigate.
After some really quick checking i would say fastest safest way (to get permanent recedency) is probably study permit, look for work during studying with an employer open to up your hours once your studies are over. So you can get a work permit. And before you known it 4 years have passed you can apply for permanent residence. One more year then apply for citizenship.
Edit: since you said you were open to studying
Edit 2: you probably already knew all this. If so read this as someone trying support your decision rather than some rando on the interwebs over splaining.
I found the individual pieces through my research earlier this year. Laying it out for me plainly really helps and has me revisiting the idea. I think I stumbled after learning about the need for enough funding to self-support? I’ll look into it more.
Thank you, I really appreciate your help and encouragement.
Either that, or more realistically, the output of the company tanks during the summer. It’s ok because everyone expects most people to be on vacation during the summer time and everyone will just work around it.
Most companies know not to take projects on over that period. Since every company works like that it’s not a problem. You could higher temporary contractors but realistically those contractors are going to charge a lot of money, because they also don’t want to be working over the summer. Best to just plan around it.
Not in Europe but similar situation. You either have enough staff in the team, or staff that with similar skills in other teams, that someone can cover them for that period, or you hire a contractor. Also depends how long they’re gone and how urgent things are.
But usually you hire slightly more staff than you need. I mean what if someone gets really sick? What if you suddenly get multiple urgent things? In the down time there’s extra things you can do that aren’t “make new shit” so it’s not like you’re paying people to do nothing.
In the US we hire significantly less workers than needed and threaten them with homelessness if they don’t make it work.