I’m trying to think of an economic model that would allow this.
Like, hunter gatherers “naw, I’m not going to be hunting or gathering this year. Please feed me.”
Every communiat regime thus far has uhhhh, been pretty opposed to that sort of idleness.
And even in the magic utopian ones people dream up, untethered by reality or human nature, I’m trying to picture a version in which the garbage truck guy somehow doesn’t prefer to taking a year off instead of hauling garbage around.
And even in the magic utopian ones people dream up, untethered by reality or human nature, I’m trying to picture a version in which the garbage truck guy somehow doesn’t prefer to taking a year off instead of hauling garbage around.
It sounds like you have an individualist approach to society and a view that money is the only true incentive to work (known as Taylorism and generally debunked by the 1930s but still in use around the world). There are always people who can see the work that needs done and are willing to do it, for the good of their community. In a society without garbage trucks, garbage will soon pile up and there will be people willing to fix that.
Hedonism, greed, and money are the values pushed upon society via capitalist propaganda but most people aren’t as inherently greedy as we’re pushed to be.
The good of the community and society can motivate a worker under a system that doesn’t treat money as its deity (or, to be even more radical, in a moneyless society). There’s also no reason why someone must be a garbage truck driver day in day out for the rest of their life like the current system encourages. We can live in a world with a more flexible approach to work, where perhaps you drive a garbage truck once a fortnight to do your bit for your community but spend the rest of your time doing something with a similar skillset like driving a bus or even something completely different to live a full and interesting life.
Your comments come across as arrogant whilst simultaneously ignorant. There are many different systems that have been theorised, trialled, quashed, debated, etc over the years that have various pros and cons that are better than the capitalist system that we currently wage slave under.
To each their own but I think these all rely on a very privileged upbringing, a ridiculous faith in people and a steadfast determination that every human flaw is actually secretly capitalism’s fault, despite all evidence to the contrary.
All you need of evidence of how pathetically greedy and self centered we are is to look into the window of any bar or restaurant and to notice 95% of the patrons are wearing sweatshop clothes.
Mamy folks are doing just fine, can afford to choose non evil but meh, those are other, foreign children so who cares? With humanity like that, you really expect people to sacrifice countless hours to become a neurosurgeon instead of sitting around being a poet?
It’s an entire ideology premised on hopefulness which is adorable but not something I’d ever risk human prosperity or happiness on.
Lol, seriously? You think hunter gatherers were just like “oh no, just take the year off and nap or whatever, we gotchya!”
Or agrarian societies would be “oh, Janet didn’t feel like planting or harvesting for a year, no worries!”
Do you have a source for this besides, I dunno, imagination?
Which herbivores our size labor as much as we do for so little reward?
Holy shit, tell me you’ve never been in the woods without telling me… You know the reason herbivores immediately hear and react to you as you walk anywhere near? Because at any given moment, they expect to be eaten. So sure, they spend most of their time eating instead of working but none of that is idle rest, it’s “I hope I don’t get torn apart because I let my guard down for a half second.” (And try taking a year off from staying alert 24/7 as a herbivore.)
Frankly, compared to almost every other animal, we hardly work. If you haven’t, I strongly recommend Planet Earth. You’ll see animals who walk thousands of miles for months because if they don’t, they will die of thirst, others that spend all day walking to a feeding ground, avoid the predators, then hope to make it home to give food to their kid before doing it all over again.
A 40 hour work week that doesn’t involve the ever present threat of death would be the envy of the animal world.
My life is awesome and crazily better than that of almost every other human being in all of human history!
And wildly, appreciating that truth doesn’t require me to make up some complete and utter nonsense. (Lol, like herbivores having it easy, goodness gracious!)
Instead of blaming capitalism, maybe there’s some positive changes you can make in your own life?
If you give a slave technology, does that mean they are no longer a slave?
What if instead of skiing and slay the spire I want a break? A real break? Like a year of not being forced against my will to work?
I’m trying to think of an economic model that would allow this.
Like, hunter gatherers “naw, I’m not going to be hunting or gathering this year. Please feed me.”
Every communiat regime thus far has uhhhh, been pretty opposed to that sort of idleness.
And even in the magic utopian ones people dream up, untethered by reality or human nature, I’m trying to picture a version in which the garbage truck guy somehow doesn’t prefer to taking a year off instead of hauling garbage around.
It sounds like you have an individualist approach to society and a view that money is the only true incentive to work (known as Taylorism and generally debunked by the 1930s but still in use around the world). There are always people who can see the work that needs done and are willing to do it, for the good of their community. In a society without garbage trucks, garbage will soon pile up and there will be people willing to fix that.
Hedonism, greed, and money are the values pushed upon society via capitalist propaganda but most people aren’t as inherently greedy as we’re pushed to be.
The good of the community and society can motivate a worker under a system that doesn’t treat money as its deity (or, to be even more radical, in a moneyless society). There’s also no reason why someone must be a garbage truck driver day in day out for the rest of their life like the current system encourages. We can live in a world with a more flexible approach to work, where perhaps you drive a garbage truck once a fortnight to do your bit for your community but spend the rest of your time doing something with a similar skillset like driving a bus or even something completely different to live a full and interesting life.
Your comments come across as arrogant whilst simultaneously ignorant. There are many different systems that have been theorised, trialled, quashed, debated, etc over the years that have various pros and cons that are better than the capitalist system that we currently wage slave under.
For example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_ideologies
To each their own but I think these all rely on a very privileged upbringing, a ridiculous faith in people and a steadfast determination that every human flaw is actually secretly capitalism’s fault, despite all evidence to the contrary.
All you need of evidence of how pathetically greedy and self centered we are is to look into the window of any bar or restaurant and to notice 95% of the patrons are wearing sweatshop clothes.
Mamy folks are doing just fine, can afford to choose non evil but meh, those are other, foreign children so who cares? With humanity like that, you really expect people to sacrifice countless hours to become a neurosurgeon instead of sitting around being a poet?
It’s an entire ideology premised on hopefulness which is adorable but not something I’d ever risk human prosperity or happiness on.
A lot of human societies worked less than 40hrs a week year round.
The fact that you can’t even fathom a different system is capitalist propaganda
Which of those societies would have given you the year off you requested earlier?
Most of them before Capitalism.
Do you think it’s natural for a Great Ape to labor for 40hrs a week until they die?
Which herbivores our size labor as much as we do for so little reward?
Lol, seriously? You think hunter gatherers were just like “oh no, just take the year off and nap or whatever, we gotchya!”
Or agrarian societies would be “oh, Janet didn’t feel like planting or harvesting for a year, no worries!”
Do you have a source for this besides, I dunno, imagination?
Holy shit, tell me you’ve never been in the woods without telling me… You know the reason herbivores immediately hear and react to you as you walk anywhere near? Because at any given moment, they expect to be eaten. So sure, they spend most of their time eating instead of working but none of that is idle rest, it’s “I hope I don’t get torn apart because I let my guard down for a half second.” (And try taking a year off from staying alert 24/7 as a herbivore.)
Frankly, compared to almost every other animal, we hardly work. If you haven’t, I strongly recommend Planet Earth. You’ll see animals who walk thousands of miles for months because if they don’t, they will die of thirst, others that spend all day walking to a feeding ground, avoid the predators, then hope to make it home to give food to their kid before doing it all over again.
A 40 hour work week that doesn’t involve the ever present threat of death would be the envy of the animal world.
I’m glad you feel rewarded for your labor, hopefully you can snap yourself out of this grateful slave mentality some day
My life is awesome and crazily better than that of almost every other human being in all of human history!
And wildly, appreciating that truth doesn’t require me to make up some complete and utter nonsense. (Lol, like herbivores having it easy, goodness gracious!)
Instead of blaming capitalism, maybe there’s some positive changes you can make in your own life?