And even in the magic utopian ones people dream up, untethered by reality or human nature, I’m trying to picture a version in which the garbage truck guy somehow doesn’t prefer to taking a year off instead of hauling garbage around.
It sounds like you have an individualist approach to society and a view that money is the only true incentive to work (known as Taylorism and generally debunked by the 1930s but still in use around the world). There are always people who can see the work that needs done and are willing to do it, for the good of their community. In a society without garbage trucks, garbage will soon pile up and there will be people willing to fix that.
Hedonism, greed, and money are the values pushed upon society via capitalist propaganda but most people aren’t as inherently greedy as we’re pushed to be.
The good of the community and society can motivate a worker under a system that doesn’t treat money as its deity (or, to be even more radical, in a moneyless society). There’s also no reason why someone must be a garbage truck driver day in day out for the rest of their life like the current system encourages. We can live in a world with a more flexible approach to work, where perhaps you drive a garbage truck once a fortnight to do your bit for your community but spend the rest of your time doing something with a similar skillset like driving a bus or even something completely different to live a full and interesting life.
Your comments come across as arrogant whilst simultaneously ignorant. There are many different systems that have been theorised, trialled, quashed, debated, etc over the years that have various pros and cons that are better than the capitalist system that we currently wage slave under.
To each their own but I think these all rely on a very privileged upbringing, a ridiculous faith in people and a steadfast determination that every human flaw is actually secretly capitalism’s fault, despite all evidence to the contrary.
All you need of evidence of how pathetically greedy and self centered we are is to look into the window of any bar or restaurant and to notice 95% of the patrons are wearing sweatshop clothes.
Mamy folks are doing just fine, can afford to choose non evil but meh, those are other, foreign children so who cares? With humanity like that, you really expect people to sacrifice countless hours to become a neurosurgeon instead of sitting around being a poet?
It’s an entire ideology premised on hopefulness which is adorable but not something I’d ever risk human prosperity or happiness on.
It sounds like you have an individualist approach to society and a view that money is the only true incentive to work (known as Taylorism and generally debunked by the 1930s but still in use around the world). There are always people who can see the work that needs done and are willing to do it, for the good of their community. In a society without garbage trucks, garbage will soon pile up and there will be people willing to fix that.
Hedonism, greed, and money are the values pushed upon society via capitalist propaganda but most people aren’t as inherently greedy as we’re pushed to be.
The good of the community and society can motivate a worker under a system that doesn’t treat money as its deity (or, to be even more radical, in a moneyless society). There’s also no reason why someone must be a garbage truck driver day in day out for the rest of their life like the current system encourages. We can live in a world with a more flexible approach to work, where perhaps you drive a garbage truck once a fortnight to do your bit for your community but spend the rest of your time doing something with a similar skillset like driving a bus or even something completely different to live a full and interesting life.
Your comments come across as arrogant whilst simultaneously ignorant. There are many different systems that have been theorised, trialled, quashed, debated, etc over the years that have various pros and cons that are better than the capitalist system that we currently wage slave under.
For example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_ideologies
To each their own but I think these all rely on a very privileged upbringing, a ridiculous faith in people and a steadfast determination that every human flaw is actually secretly capitalism’s fault, despite all evidence to the contrary.
All you need of evidence of how pathetically greedy and self centered we are is to look into the window of any bar or restaurant and to notice 95% of the patrons are wearing sweatshop clothes.
Mamy folks are doing just fine, can afford to choose non evil but meh, those are other, foreign children so who cares? With humanity like that, you really expect people to sacrifice countless hours to become a neurosurgeon instead of sitting around being a poet?
It’s an entire ideology premised on hopefulness which is adorable but not something I’d ever risk human prosperity or happiness on.