Since my last post yesterday, lemmy.world has added over 3000 new users, bringing the total user count to 22000 today (source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list). It firmly holds the position of the second-largest lemmy instance, passing beehaw.org by a large margin of 10000 users.

In other news, beehaw has defederated from lemmy.world a few hours ago. How does the third-largest instance only have 4 mods admins for its 12000 users?!

So much going on!

  • JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.worldEnglish
    47·
    2 years ago

    I find it very confusing that they are defederating. Beehaw users can choose to watch local content only. Why damage the federation in this crucial time?

      • EnglishMobster@kbin.social
        14·
        2 years ago

        It seems odd to me that Beehaw would choose a federated model if this is truly their approach.

        The whole point of federation is that you’ll have everyone from everywhere in your community, with exceptions for bad actors.

        If Beehaw says “We want our community to be unified and work exactly as we say” it just seems like they should have forked Tildes or something?

        I was talking to one of the Beehaw admins the other day and I think they mentioned they came from Tildes because they disagreed with how Deimos was running things or something like that. But Tildes is open-source and non-federated, so it seems like the more natural place to jump to for what they want to do?

        • FeenisBoobicus@kbin.social
          7·
          2 years ago

          Yeah, why pioneer a free and open platform just so you can curate a censored and closed echo chamber? That’s why I chose Kbin, ernest seems much more interested in the success and development of the community and platform than enforcing whatever flavor of ideology.

      • JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        2 years ago

        I am not sure I follow. If you can be in beehaw, choose to only watch your’s instance, and engaging in other instances only when you want - what’d the downside? I feel like I am missing something.

          • JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 years ago

            Wait, I don’t think thats right. Unless I am missunderstanding it?

            comment is going to be sent to every version of that post via ActivityPub, as the “true” version has been updated. That is, every version EXCEPT lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. So users on lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works won’t get that comment, because we’ve been defederated from beehaw.org. If we write a comment, it will only be visible from accounts on lemmy.world, because we posted to a copy, but our copy is now out of sync with the “true” version. So we can appear to interact with the post, but those interactions are ONLY visible by other lemmy.world accounts, since our comments aren’t send to other versions. As the “true” version is hosted on beehaw, and we no longer get beehaw updates due to defederation, we will not see comments from ANY other community on those posts (including from other defederated instances like sh.itjust.works)

            • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubEnglish
              7·
              2 years ago

              Now that BeeHaw has defederated, they won’t see any comments from lemmy.world/shitjustworks users in their own communities.

              If they kept federation, those users would be able to comment on beehaw.org communities.

            • whatyousaidontwitter@lemm.eeEnglish
              5·
              2 years ago

              Sorry for the confusion, I meant that, if they didn’t defederate and their users just kept on their ‘local’ feed, they’d still see outside comments.

          • JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            2 years ago

            Huh, ok, I get it now. I am sad to see the beehaw go. I actualy tried to make an account there but was rejected without notice for whatever reson. I will really miss their communities.

              • JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.worldEnglish
                8·
                2 years ago

                I can hardly disagree with the Beehaw admins at this stage, but it’s still a shame to see it happen.

                I echo your statements.

            • Senokir@lemmy.worldEnglish
              9·
              2 years ago

              You should still be able to view and comment on beehaw as normal so you don’t have to miss those communities. Defederation is a one way street. So it’s just like lemmy.world doesn’t exist as far as beehaw is concerned. We can’t have any impact on their vote counts from their perspective, they won’t see our comments regardless of the instance it’s posted on, they can’t visit any communities from lemmy.world, etc. But unless lemmy.world defederates from beehaw we will still be able to view, vote on, comment on, etc anything from beehaw as normal. It’s just that you are less likely to get any sort of interaction so you are disincentivized from doing so. Technically we could still comment on a beehaw post and anyone from lemmy.world or any other instance that hasn’t defederates with us would still be able to see and reply to that comment.

              • foggenbooty@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 years ago

                That’s very interesting. I didn’t realize it worked that way. You’re saying when one instance comments on a external instance the comment itself is still hosted by the first instance? It is hosted in the first instance and and update is sent to the external instance which would host a duplicate copy (but in this case is rejected)?

                I’ve read most of the Lemmy documentation but these nuances of the architecture aren’t well covered.

                Edit: just found this post which clarifies it all: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

    • Celivalg@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
      8·
      2 years ago

      Nah, de-federation means they won’t be seeing anything from lemmy.world on:

      • local posts
      • lemmy.world posts

      They will still see lemmy.world comments on other instances, but lemmy.world posts won’t appear on the ALL sorting.

      In the same way lemmy.world won’t be able to see beehaw posts.

      Basically,

      • local only concerns posts that have been submitted on beehaw communities
      • All concerns posts submitted on any instance that is federated and to which at least one user on the instance is subbed to.
    • Kichae@kbin.social
      7·
      2 years ago

      No, they can choose to see content from local communities. The users posting in those communities, and the people commenting on those posts, can still come from any federated site.