If only there were a device to keep you in your seat when something like this happens
Damn
We almost got rid of Jimmy dore
stuff like this is why i’m lowkey terrified of flying also this isn’t a shitpost
So you’d rather stick to the ground, where you can’t dive to avoid an oncoming vehicle?
Yeah, shitpost needs some better moderation. Shitpost has literally just become post whatever you want. And if that’s what it is, I guess that’s what it is, but the term “shitpost” to me had always been someone coming and derailing serious threads with nonsense opinions, unrelated pics, etc. So silly trolling.
This post is a picture of a tweet about a near mid-air collision. Unless the second plane was just fucking around, shitflying as they say, I don’t know that it qualifies for the low, low bar that is shitposting.
I can assure you some pants were shit on that flight
Shitpantsing then
Put your fking seatbelts on. All the time.
how that a shitpost tho
Without pilot intervention, the closest they would have come would have been 4.85 nautical miles laterally, and at the same altitude.
With the pilot intervention, the closest they came was 4.85 nautical miles laterally, and 500 feet vertically.
Because everybody on the plane shit themselves.
Anything about Jimmy Dore is a shitpost but which sub or whatever is this more suitable for?
This ain’t no shitpost.
You have to admit it’d be pretty shitty to run into another airplane in the sky though?
You’re right, but I don’t think The Internet cares.
Remind us who cut funding to FAA?
This is Joe Biden s fault. I don’t mean he cut funding or anything like that, I mean he was literally flying the other plane. It was full of woke trans immigrants headed to Texas so Democrats can get more votes while simultaneously rigging the election.
Your response here is an excellent example of shitposting. You are the new moderator. Keep up the shitty work.
Obama was copilot? Smoking crack in the back in his tan suit? With Dijon mustard?
Smoking the mustard and putting crack on the hotdog.
hotdog
why you gotta bring hulk hogan’s skin into this?
I thought Hulk Hogan’s legendary pre-match routine was hot dogs in the crack, not the other way around?
Whatcha gonna do brother? WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THE COCAINE, GEAR, TANNING BEDS AND RACISM RUN WILD OVER YOU?!
hulk hogan was the real copilot all along.
it was the one armed man! you gotta believe me!
Which time? In January or in Trump’s last term?
Is gutting the federal government working yet? Is the swamp drained? Is the winning complete? Are my bigoted piece of shit nazi flag flying neighbors satisfied yet?
It’s working for Russia
Uh, what? Something like 80 % of their economy is now government spending.
I meant getting Trump elected to sow discord and chaos in the US has allowed Russia to continue their war while facing fewer repercussions
Exactly. I don’t say those things at work anymore because they are too many of them.
I can’t help wondering if they are remorseful.
One thing I know is people don’t like to be told. I stop correcting them. The more we point out their flaws, the more irrationally they will hold on to the false beliefs
A fascinating theory I read is that MAGA is making a big deal out of Epstein because it provides an off-ramp that lets them save face.
Legit I’m like "bruh, you’re upset that your billionaire ‘grab em by the pussy’, ‘accidentally’ walking into the miss teen usa changing room, ‘I’d fuck my daughter if she wasn’t my daughter’ president is on a list of billionaire sexual predators? I’m glad that something finally looks like it might stick to him but c’mon guys.
They will instead irrationality believe that it’s working in their favour and be emboldened. They didn’t reach their position by being rational. Don’t let a bully tell you that you deserved it after he punches you in the face.
This is very dangerous. Time to remove regulations for collision warning systems on airplanes, so dangerous maneuvers like this don’t happen in the future
Tap for spoiler
/s
Time a different kind of fireworks.
The kind that only happens near airports. Hopefully, some of the billionaires who wanted this shit will be part of the fireworks
Yeah, just let the pilots fly Tony Hawk freestyle. Time to get creative!
Don’t planes have seatbelts? How did so many people manage to fly out of their seats?
Also friendly reminder to everybody that planes are still the safest mode of transportation by a significant margin
Planes are the safest form of transportation if you look at safety per km travelled. If you look at other metrics, like safety per trip or per travel time then they are less safe than busses or trains.
Planes have nonetheless huge advantages over the others, like if you have to travel hundreds of km, or across the ocean. Cruising through the Atlantic in a Greyhound would be wild, though.
As with all statistics, you can make the numbers say what we you want. Planes can carry 500+ people, so an incident risks all 500 of those passengers; similar for rail, but not so much for the bus. And I think about bus and there’s two different kinds of buses, IMO, the inner city bus that’s on the road for hours, but doing few miles while making frequent stops. Not sure what a journey is then, whether it’s stop by stop or from start to finish. And there’s
So yeah, I dunno. If it’s your time it’s your time. I don’t think any of these means of travel are “unsafe,” whatever that means. But I’ll still have a couple of beers before I get on the plane, because I’m not afraid of flying, but having a couple beers beforehand makes it better.
I’ll still have a couple of beers before I get on the plane, because I’m not afraid of flying…
Have to admit this is kind of funny.
Last time I posted something about this, it was downvoted to oblivion. Glad to see that didn’t happen here. There are some statistical quirks that make this obvious once you think about it though.
Planes tend to make long trips, so anything measured on a per-km basis is going to be wildly diluted. Nobody is taking a plane to travel a few blocks. Something like a car will tend to make much shorter (but more frequent) trips, so the per-km stat won’t be diluted. But inversely, the per-trip stat will be diluted with cars, purely because they’re used much more often.
Bus and Rail rules.
Motorcycles are for the young who don’t want to get old.
Everyone wants to shit on motorcycles, but it’s as much a red herring as a meaningful statement. You might as well mention that horse riding is 25x more dangerous than motorcycles. And if you really want to get into the weeds, go look up how many motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents, and how many of those are due to speeding or alcohol involvement. So if you don’t drink, and don’t act like a fool, you’re really not all that badly off. Still worse than being in a steel cage for protection, but it’s not only for people “who don’t want to get old.”
It sure feels like that margin has been shrinking in the last year or so.
So I don’t know how true it is (or isn’t). This wiki article gives a list of “all newsworthy” incidents since 2023. Got two (now three) this year. Five last year. Ten in 2023. But newsworthy is the key word. We have an incident like we did in DC, and in the immediate wake of it there were news reports just about anytime someone sneezed on an airplane (hyperbole).
I’ll tell you, my eye test and feelings agree with you, but I just don’t know how true it is. And it’s hard to avoid getting political, but there is a vested interest in certain news circles to paint a bleak picture (don’t take this wrong, I’m in favor of funding government agencies).
So yeah, fuck it, you know?
They have seatbelts, but for the most of the flight they are unused - you only need to buckle in during takeoff, landing, and if when encountering turbulence.
I guess there wasn’t enough time to get all the passengers to fasten their seatbelts before the collision?
I wonder if you’ve ever listened to the part of the safety briefing before every flight where they instruct you to keep the seatbelt fastened throughout the entire flight.
Judging by the number of clicks I hear when the seatbelt light turns off, I’d say most people don’t.
You should always have the belt on unless you are standing up for some reason. This story is exactly why.
Where I fly they also always advise to remain fastener regardless of no immediate warnigs. Exactly for situations like this - and others.
Yeah, but people are still going to be using the bathrooms and such, even if you assume everyone actually obeys the rules
Pour one out for the poor fella who finally got his turn to poop just before this happened.
because of a few exception cases this is never going to work
At any time, you can expect at least 2-6 people out of their seats if the fasten seatbelts sign isn’t on. But I don’t really care about that part, shit happens
Planes shouldn’t be dodging each other in the first place… That’s the actual problem here. I don’t blame the pilot either, they avoided a collision, so as far as I’m concerned they did what they had to do
The situation itself never should have happened
i dont even know what youre trying to state or argue. seatbelts should be worn by all seated passengers at all times to mitigate risk of injury in case something that shouldn’t happen does end up happening. obviously there are exceptions like when people need to piss and shit.
No duh. I don’t care if a few people got slammed into the ceiling
I care that two planes almost collided and killed everyone
Why even consider the seat belts? They’re not the real issue here
Of course, but it should be the 2-4 people who are actively going somewhere / in the bathroom, everyone else should have their seatbelt on.
And airplanes shouldn’t be in each other’s airspace
I don’t know what you’re trying to say, the airplanes nearly running into each other is the clear problem
Check out John Oliver’s take on air traffic control on LWT
I was a kid when Reagan fired all the striking air traffic controllers. It turns out it takes a long time to train them, so we haven’t recovered from that one incident. It also means all ATCs are overworked, still underpaid and using outdated hardware and methods.
Air travel was screwed even before Trump defunded the FAA.
Fair, but it has gotten very noticably worse based on Trump’s deregulation catching up on the aircrafts and the latest round of forcing out air traffic control
Also, I didn’t know you could just say “all pronouns”. I like that a lot, I’m really uncomfortable putting myself in boxes and that describes my preferences very succinctly
There are things you can control and things you can’t. I can’t keep the planes out of each other’s airspace, but I can keep my seat belt on.
That would be more insightful if I wasn’t a pilot…
Tap for spoiler
I’m not.
Yeah, that’ll keep you from getting slammed on the ceiling…in a situation that should never, ever happen. Which I’d over a midair collision, in which case you’re just screwed no matter what you do
I don’t blame the pilot either, they did their job properly. It was the military that failed to coordinate with the civilian air control tower, which also could have been avoided if the civilian tower had radar
What should you do? Demand better. Not think “I would have been fine, they must’ve been stupid”
You can’t protect against every freak event, what you can do is be one drop in the wave that demands competence from our government
And this is why I don’t fly anymore. It was never an enjoyable experience (except takeoff. Wee!!) and now it’s even less worth it.
Now I find myself having a depressed opinion on the lack of train options.
I’m flying out of Burbank Monday 😃
It’s cool, this was their incident, so clock reset. Can’t happen twice in so short a span, no way!
keep your seatbelt on or that might be true more ways than one.
TCAS is working overtime to make up for the years of neglecting the FAA.
Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source.
Finally, the freedom to have sick plane crashes thanks to deregulation 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅💥💥💥
Just to put this into perspective, here’s a visualization of the flight data. The two aircraft were never on a collision course. They slightly violated a 5-mile separation requirement: their closest point of approach was 4.85 miles. The pilot did need to respond to the TCAS alert, but that alert was very conservative.
These conservative warnings exist for a reason, though. That being hundreds of lives at stake. What I think would be more interesting is to hear how often these types of events occurred before and after the layoffs at the FAA
Agreed. The point of a conservative warning is to give plenty of time and opportunity to react without bouncing your passengers off the ceiling.
Fault for the loss of separation seems to be on the controllers. Not all separation incidents are the same, though. This one seems to be rather minor. By my estimation, the encroachment was a maximum of 264 yards, and the duration of that encroachment (without pilot or controller intervention) would have been less than 10 seconds. Too tight, yes. It needs addressed so it doesn’t become a habitual violation that could lead to more severe encroachment by these controllers. But there was no real danger of bodily harm from this encroachment.
Fault for an overly aggressive maneuver is on the pilot. There was a risk of injury from that overly aggressive response. The pilot’s actions elevated a minor, no-risk event to one that risked serious injury to the passengers and crew. But, he was following instructions from a device designed to improve aviation safety, and the nature of the warnings from that device, an over-response is much safer than an under-response. He has to trust his instruments, and his instruments (erroneously) told him to push the nose down, quickly, lest he hit another plane.
TCAS is designed and intended to reduce risk and prevent harm. In this specific incident, though, it seems like the TCAS-RA actually increased the risk of harm, by calling for an immediate action that wasn’t actually necessary to prevent harm. Is there a way to improve TCAS?
I, too, would like to know how often TCAS incidents were recorded before and after the layoffs. Those layoffs definitely harmed aviation safety. But if someone were injured in this incident, I don’t think I could point the finger at the controllers or lack thereof. This particular incident seems to suggest a shortcoming in the TCAS system.
Very thoughtful and informed reply. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Well it cost money and held yous back.
/s …Justin Case.
