Speaking in messianic terms of a teenager as though they give you credibility. If you’ve been doing on-the-ground activism for years and this is where it has gotten you, let us hope that you have merely wasted your life, because it is more likely that you are making things worse for all of us, perhaps along Austin Red Guard lines.
Fred Hampton was quite young, but he also accomplished an absurd amount for his age and honestly for any age.
I agree. I tried to be slightly more charitable with them elsewhere because I am pretty sure they are also young (or they wouldn’t see how openly laughable their posturing looks), but I condemn his attitude in the strongest terms.
Oh? So it is not impressive to write an entire book which gives massive detail to all things relevant to theory at the age of 18? That is extremely impressive. Additionally, the book was not written by just this one person, but contributed to by a massive pool of people.
Correct, it is not impressive to write an especially long screed except in the sense that it is impressive to paint a house using a bit of floss as your brush.
For all of your posturing, do you not know who Hampton is or the initiatives he led? Because he made some speeches that I think are good and insightful, but when I was speaking of accomplishments, I was talking about how he so effectively organized his in his community and promoted safety, health, and education on such a rapid timescale that the FBI itself described him (ironically, given language I used before) as “messianic,” and then worked with local pigs to kill him. Ultimately it is the action he took that give his words such credibility, not whether he can tell you the exact doctrinal positions of the Boxer Rebellion for the sake of negatively comparing it to the Black Panthers.
The Austin Red Guard is a Maoist group that is most infamous among leftists for wrecking on a more literal level than you usually see, coming to the meetings of other socialist groups and attacking people and such. I don’t think your group literally did that, because a) we might have heard of them by now if they had and b) I don’t think you have the spine, but I think that if you’ve done anything at all, it is likely to have been a similar detriment to the radical left.
Complete aside, but connecting yourself to the ACP is disgusting and their tailist, petite-bourgeois nationalism is given away even in their name. You should be the Communist Party of America (MLMpM?) instead, if you insist on using the same words for some reason.
The Red Guard formations were among the most advanced revolutionary networks in North America. They were the targets of a police and snitch operation which resulted in their dissolution along with the Committee to Reconstitute CPUSA itself.
The Red Guards were silly wreckers and the cops coming down on them doesn’t change that. Also, you keep picking exactly one thing to respond to. I thought you loved having things written out in detail, or is that just for your teenage dear leader while you simply follow along and consoom?
Reported by OP. Reason: Ageist. Being a teenager does not mean you lack leadership abilities.
A lack of experience is different than a lack of ability. And you can’t find out the leadership abilities of a person without getting experience. Even working at a McDonald’s for a summer job and trying to talk about workers rights with their coworkers is valuable experience.
Starting shitfits on wikipages most certainly isn’t experience.
Perhaps I should have phrased it differently, to be fair, but I did also bring up Hampton, who was just a few years older, as an example of how someone can be a worthy leader at a very young age, but Hampton is also an anomaly among leaders and a standard that it looks like Paul K cannot aspire to meet even if he lives to be 100.
In any case, I appreciate you letting me know what his response was. As before, he just picks out one thing to harp on and it’s not the most substantial part.
Never heard of that bunch before, what a fun little rabbit hole to delve into! Also answering with a “maybe but any possible crime that would be done by the prescribed pink zizians would be that of internet forum code of conduct violations. A most serious crime!”
And to the previous paragraph I very much agree. I feel like I could lecture more about being conscious of how ageism is a two way street and how a unified chain of legacy of old comrades, middle-aged comrades, and young comrades truly helps makes a party blossom, but I gotta knock off going on pontificating rants or else I might end up converting to Multi-Level-Marketing and make a new account to tell everyone I’m the one true communist and they should follow me.
You consider a student devoid of practice to be one of the best minds in the MLM movement in the US, and when you run into a disagreement, you just yell at others to read theory, or accuse them of being patsocs unprovoked. It’s childish wrecker behavior that would have you thrown out of any principled org, or your behavior corrected by experienced cadre.
I mean this with no ill-will, take a break from the keyboard, and focus on real-life practice. Stop trying to wreck online shitposting boards.
Maybe much like how you should behave IRL, you should pipe down here on hexbear before shouting to the high heavens how you’re the living reincarnation of gorgonzola
How would you know? I have spent years doing on-the-ground activism in some form.
Speaking in messianic terms of a teenager as though they give you credibility. If you’ve been doing on-the-ground activism for years and this is where it has gotten you, let us hope that you have merely wasted your life, because it is more likely that you are making things worse for all of us, perhaps along Austin Red Guard lines.
Fred Hampton was quite young, but he also accomplished an absurd amount for his age and honestly for any age.
Any socialist worth their salt wouldn’t be behaving like this
I agree. I tried to be slightly more charitable with them elsewhere because I am pretty sure they are also young (or they wouldn’t see how openly laughable their posturing looks), but I condemn his attitude in the strongest terms.
Oh? So it is not impressive to write an entire book which gives massive detail to all things relevant to theory at the age of 18? That is extremely impressive. Additionally, the book was not written by just this one person, but contributed to by a massive pool of people.
What was wrong with Austin Red Guards?
Correct, it is not impressive to write an especially long screed except in the sense that it is impressive to paint a house using a bit of floss as your brush.
For all of your posturing, do you not know who Hampton is or the initiatives he led? Because he made some speeches that I think are good and insightful, but when I was speaking of accomplishments, I was talking about how he so effectively organized his in his community and promoted safety, health, and education on such a rapid timescale that the FBI itself described him (ironically, given language I used before) as “messianic,” and then worked with local pigs to kill him. Ultimately it is the action he took that give his words such credibility, not whether he can tell you the exact doctrinal positions of the Boxer Rebellion for the sake of negatively comparing it to the Black Panthers.
The Austin Red Guard is a Maoist group that is most infamous among leftists for wrecking on a more literal level than you usually see, coming to the meetings of other socialist groups and attacking people and such. I don’t think your group literally did that, because a) we might have heard of them by now if they had and b) I don’t think you have the spine, but I think that if you’ve done anything at all, it is likely to have been a similar detriment to the radical left.
Complete aside, but connecting yourself to the ACP is disgusting and their tailist, petite-bourgeois nationalism is given away even in their name. You should be the Communist Party of America (MLMpM?) instead, if you insist on using the same words for some reason.
The Red Guard formations were among the most advanced revolutionary networks in North America. They were the targets of a police and snitch operation which resulted in their dissolution along with the Committee to Reconstitute CPUSA itself.
The Red Guards were silly wreckers and the cops coming down on them doesn’t change that. Also, you keep picking exactly one thing to respond to. I thought you loved having things written out in detail, or is that just for your teenage dear leader while you simply follow along and consoom?
Reported by OP. Reason: Ageist. Being a teenager does not mean you lack leadership abilities.
A lack of experience is different than a lack of ability. And you can’t find out the leadership abilities of a person without getting experience. Even working at a McDonald’s for a summer job and trying to talk about workers rights with their coworkers is valuable experience.
Starting shitfits on wikipages most certainly isn’t experience.
Perhaps I should have phrased it differently, to be fair, but I did also bring up Hampton, who was just a few years older, as an example of how someone can be a worthy leader at a very young age, but Hampton is also an anomaly among leaders and a standard that it looks like Paul K cannot aspire to meet even if he lives to be 100.
In any case, I appreciate you letting me know what his response was. As before, he just picks out one thing to harp on and it’s not the most substantial part.
Edit: Are these people just pink Zizians?
Never heard of that bunch before, what a fun little rabbit hole to delve into! Also answering with a “maybe but any possible crime that would be done by the prescribed pink zizians would be that of internet forum code of conduct violations. A most serious crime!”
And to the previous paragraph I very much agree. I feel like I could lecture more about being conscious of how ageism is a two way street and how a unified chain of legacy of old comrades, middle-aged comrades, and young comrades truly helps makes a party blossom, but I gotta knock off going on pontificating rants or else I might end up converting to Multi-Level-Marketing and make a new account to tell everyone I’m the one true communist and they should follow me.
You consider a student devoid of practice to be one of the best minds in the MLM movement in the US, and when you run into a disagreement, you just yell at others to read theory, or accuse them of being patsocs unprovoked. It’s childish wrecker behavior that would have you thrown out of any principled org, or your behavior corrected by experienced cadre.
I mean this with no ill-will, take a break from the keyboard, and focus on real-life practice. Stop trying to wreck online shitposting boards.
It’s a good thing I don’t act this way in an actual organization.
I should certainly hope not, though it seems you only qualify by being in the process of forming a party, and not actually being in one properly.
I am in and associated with other, non-party mass organizations such as Democratic Socialists of America.
Good, though the DSA is severely lacking, it beats doing nothing. Still doesn’t excuse the rampant wrecker behavior here.
Shouting at people from a soapbox isn’t communist work.
You’re right! Instead, I listen first and give Marxist solutions later. It is called the mass line.
Damn, really??!?
Maybe much like how you should behave IRL, you should pipe down here on hexbear before shouting to the high heavens how you’re the living reincarnation of gorgonzola
When have I ever said I was the living incarnation of the Chairman?
Nah you’re a whole block head worth of blue cheese
No, you.
Oh, Mr. Block,
you were born by mistake,
You take the cake.
You make me ache.
Tie a rock to your block
and jump in the lake.
Kindly do that for Liberty’s sake