Nothing in there states he’s wrong simply he is interpreting things differently and his interpretation does not align with yours.
Also, complex but I doubt you are in the business of making games so I’m confident he probably has additional context forming his viewpoint which you do not.
Again, god forbid people have opinions. Is this where we are in the terms of discourse now? We are not allowed to disagree because one side feels they are “right”?
Funny how you interpret people downvoting you as “you not being allowed to have an opinion” while downvoting you is nothing more than the expression of their opinions of you being wrong. So should opinions be expressed or not? You cant have that freedom just to yourself.
Whilst there are some concerns with the interpretability of the movement, the reasoning I have seen pirate software give comes across as disingenuous. He explains the worst possible reading, and dismisses the entire movement rather than help guiding it in the right direction like someone in his position could do.
The real reason people are mad at him is because he made some unnecessarily rude comments about the organiser and the movement as a whole, which was incredibly unprofessional and made a lot of people feel betrayed by openly siding with the same big studios that many people feel cheated by right now.
If you happen to have any questions, feel free to reach out! This is an incredibly passionate subject for both players and developers alike, but a lot gets lost in the crossfire :)
“He uses League of Legends as an example. Pirate Software suggests there is no good way to make the game playable without its client-server structure.”
I can’t watch PS’s vid right now, but how? How is it different from Counterstrike Classic or Quake being played by local parties? Is it because LoL would need to make all content available for free in the offline version? Capcom didn’t seem to have a problem when making offline MegamanXDive. In fact, multliple other examples PS brought up fall flat because of that one. I can envision a singleplayer offline Pokemon Go, or one ran by fans. It doesn’t matter if it’s far more trimmed down.
“Pirate Software then admits that if the game [The Crew] had a single-player component to it that was shut down with the online component, that would be unacceptable.”
That’s literally what happened though. The Crew has a solo mode. It’s innacessable now. It kickstarted the movement.
Being a consumer, not a dev, has nothing to do with it. We already have legislation against microtransactions, even if the devs only lose from it, because consumers deserve better treatment.
Also, PS allegedly has benefit in going against SKG because he’s developing a live-service game. I don’t know the name, and I don’t even care, because even without that his arguments are shoddy.
Lastly, he was just disrespectful and called the initiative ass off the get go, throwing insults, and refused to engage in discussion. If he’s mad about people treating him the same, well, you reap what you sow.
The initiative is not asking for retroactive enforcement.
They are asking for an end of life plan for games made after some TBD date. Something that at least gives end-users a chance that it can be played after a corporation ends support. Ideally that would be server binaries, but it could also mean documentation on how the server infrastructure works so it can be rebuilt by motivated end-users.
PS’s use of League of Legends is awful because all they would need for an end of life plan (if it had been required at the time) is to add a LAN mode just like PvP games from years and years ago, I.e. Quake, Warcraft, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Halo… Etc etc etc.
That’s it. That doesn’t require “endless” support.
What did PS say?
Edit - nevermind. He had a well thought out opposing viewpoint which you disagree with.
God forbid there should be a healthy discourse on a matter.
he was massively misinformed and refused to back down when shown how his argument was flawed.
Or maybe just maybe he’s not massively misinformed but it reading things differently hence no need to back down?
For context I read this.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/pirate-software-stop-killing-games-drama
Nothing in there states he’s wrong simply he is interpreting things differently and his interpretation does not align with yours.
Also, complex but I doubt you are in the business of making games so I’m confident he probably has additional context forming his viewpoint which you do not.
Again, god forbid people have opinions. Is this where we are in the terms of discourse now? We are not allowed to disagree because one side feels they are “right”?
Fyi I have no skin in the game.
Funny how you interpret people downvoting you as “you not being allowed to have an opinion” while downvoting you is nothing more than the expression of their opinions of you being wrong. So should opinions be expressed or not? You cant have that freedom just to yourself.
Hi, someone who does make games here!
Whilst there are some concerns with the interpretability of the movement, the reasoning I have seen pirate software give comes across as disingenuous. He explains the worst possible reading, and dismisses the entire movement rather than help guiding it in the right direction like someone in his position could do.
The real reason people are mad at him is because he made some unnecessarily rude comments about the organiser and the movement as a whole, which was incredibly unprofessional and made a lot of people feel betrayed by openly siding with the same big studios that many people feel cheated by right now.
If you happen to have any questions, feel free to reach out! This is an incredibly passionate subject for both players and developers alike, but a lot gets lost in the crossfire :)
“He uses League of Legends as an example. Pirate Software suggests there is no good way to make the game playable without its client-server structure.”
I can’t watch PS’s vid right now, but how? How is it different from Counterstrike Classic or Quake being played by local parties? Is it because LoL would need to make all content available for free in the offline version? Capcom didn’t seem to have a problem when making offline MegamanXDive. In fact, multliple other examples PS brought up fall flat because of that one. I can envision a singleplayer offline Pokemon Go, or one ran by fans. It doesn’t matter if it’s far more trimmed down.
“Pirate Software then admits that if the game [The Crew] had a single-player component to it that was shut down with the online component, that would be unacceptable.”
That’s literally what happened though. The Crew has a solo mode. It’s innacessable now. It kickstarted the movement.
Being a consumer, not a dev, has nothing to do with it. We already have legislation against microtransactions, even if the devs only lose from it, because consumers deserve better treatment.
Also, PS allegedly has benefit in going against SKG because he’s developing a live-service game. I don’t know the name, and I don’t even care, because even without that his arguments are shoddy.
Lastly, he was just disrespectful and called the initiative ass off the get go, throwing insults, and refused to engage in discussion. If he’s mad about people treating him the same, well, you reap what you sow.
this has been going for six months and the information is out there. know your meme is hardly an authoritative source.
Your comments have JAQing off all over it. Why you holding water for a performative shit head who was proven to be wrong?
The initiative is not asking for retroactive enforcement.
They are asking for an end of life plan for games made after some TBD date. Something that at least gives end-users a chance that it can be played after a corporation ends support. Ideally that would be server binaries, but it could also mean documentation on how the server infrastructure works so it can be rebuilt by motivated end-users.
PS’s use of League of Legends is awful because all they would need for an end of life plan (if it had been required at the time) is to add a LAN mode just like PvP games from years and years ago, I.e. Quake, Warcraft, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, Halo… Etc etc etc.
That’s it. That doesn’t require “endless” support.
L O L
Ego voice mod boy can suck it.
Reaaaaaaaal mature. Anyways you’ve tipped your hand in this conversation so best of luck.
Hey, he started it. If you can’t take it don’t dish it. Next time crybaby can start by NOT calling people names.