The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.

  • Brocken40@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    1 year ago

    Who you or I vote for is not going to stop a second January 6th, it isn’t going to change the plans in project 2025, the question is no longer about duely elected politicians, there is a high chance that Trump could be barred from running due to his actions on Jan 6th, but that doesn’t change angry confused people’s minds.

    If you don’t want to make america Florida convince a Trumper he’s bad don’t attack people who already know it.

    • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      Weren’t you just talking about 3rd party/nonvoters? Because if they’re truly seeing fascism on the rise and then not voting against it they’re very much not the people who truly “know Trump is bad”.

      • Brocken40@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        9
        ·
        1 year ago

        I was, voteing 3rd party is voting against fascism, unless trump ends up running 3rd party then it could go either way. There is more than just us and them, there are people inbetween, and treating them like the enemy is not how we get out of this mess.

        • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          1 year ago

          It literally isn’t, because it has no impact on whether a fascist gets elected.

          • Brocken40@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            1 year ago

            So why aren’t you out in Ukraine planning a covert mission to assassinate putin? By not fighting him you have no impact on if a fascist takes over the world.

            Its a stupid argument it’s not just yes or no.

            you are playing into the fascists game by ignoring the other possibilities.

            • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’m not claiming I’m helping to eliminate the Russian fascist. You’re claiming your vote is helping to prevent it domestically.

              • Brocken40@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                I’m claiming that you can’t blame people who didn’t vote for fascism for fascism.

                You are claiming that people who don’t vote how you want them to are helping to bring forth fascism.

                following that logic by not fighting in Ukraine you too are giving rise to domestic fascism in that putin could one day become a fascist dictator of America if not stopped.

                by not stopping him you too support fascism in America.

                Edit: Don’t let billionaires divide us, you are better than that, Republicans are better than that, I believe you want the best for america just like they do, you are both just confused on how to do it and who the actual enemies of democracy are.

                • fubo@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Because of the shitty structure of the voting system, people who “didn’t vote for fascism” can, in fact, be supporting the fascist party.

                  This is a mathematical consequence of the specific type of shitty that our voting system is.

                  As a supporter of better voting systems, you can realize that.

                  And then, as a voter, you can look at your district and you can look at the candidates, and you can fucking vote tactically in the way that will, in fact, mathematically, provably reduce the chance of electing a fucking Nazi.

                  Right now, under the voting system we actually have, if you’re in a purple state and vote for Cornel West, if you are mathematically literate you know you’re helping elect Trump.

                  That’s just true. Simply true. It’s a consequence of the shitty voting system, but it’s a real consequence. That’s actually how it will happen. It’s not about how you feel in your heart. It’s about whether police are going to drag LGBT+ kids away from their supportive parents. It’s about whether birthright citizenship is retroactively abolished. It’s about whether the January 6 perpetrators get not only pardoned, but appointed to office.

                  You know the choice you have. It’s a shitty choice, because you and I both know that the first-past-the-post voting system creates shitty choices.

                  But still … don’t vote for fascism.

                  • Brocken40@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    3
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Fight the system, the blm protests did help, their only failing wa people didn’t keep up with it the power of the people is not in voting it is collective action in the streets.

                • phillaholic@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  You know what is bullshit? Money. A $100 bill and a $1 are the same physical thing. Why should a $100 bill be worth 100 times more than a $1 bill? It’s all the same thing.

                  But society uses money, I have to play by those rules. I can’t pay five lunch with $1 if they says it’s $20. I have to work in the system even if it sucks.