I have a feeling Americans fleeing the consequences of their disaster politics may not receive the warmest welcome in Canada. There’s a lot of animosity and a lot of it is warranted.
Are you Canadian? I have some Canadian friends and their vibe is mostly pity and offering to help if needed. I hope Canadians aren’t upset at Americans as a whole, and I generally don’t get that vibe. Obviously I only know Canadians that know me, so they’re predisposed to being nice to me lol.
We’re a lot less upset now that we see people actually fighting back - the protests, town hall zoos, Teslas spontaneously combusting…
I’m torn between disgust overall and pity and wanting to help. The thing that leans me towards the latter instead of the former is that I can see the right here in Canada trying to follow america’s footsteps…
I’m empathetic towards those who voted against this, but disgusted with the country on the whole.
Thanks for your insight as an actual Canadian lol. We really are (and have been) trying to get this under control for years at this point. We appreciate you understanding that and seeing that at least it’s not all of us.
One of my Canadian friends parents have trump signs in their yard and they are Canadian and have never been American or even to America. It’s really crazy that this is happening so many places. At least we can hope that people see where it’s left us and start actually changing their minds for the better for their own country. What happened with Le Pen recently might have happened regardless, but after seeing what not punishing officials leads to, I hope other countries learn from our mistakes.
Good luck up there. I’m sorry this is where we are, but hopefully not for long.
Yeah I say this living less than 30 mins from the border lol. The other response is not just out of touch of the relationship at the border but also not understanding how refugee status works.
I’m sorry to say it, but I think you’ll find the world is upset with Americans as a whole. You really shit the proverbial bed on this one. A few people that know you personally probably isn’t a good indication of the welcome you’re going to receive en mass, especially in countries that are being explicitly targeted, like Canada. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying maybe temper your expectations.
Gotta remember that line from MIB: “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals”
Don’t disagree. But the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this. Our system is just out-dated and has been slowly rigged over decades to benefit the few over the many. MOST Americans have never wanted Trump to be President. Many have spent years trying to get others to understand the consequences of his first election, and what is now his second term.
But the voices of the many, are easily drowned out by the voices of the few who enough resources to purchase all our social spaces (Twitter / Facebook) and fill it with bad actors posing as other Americans who spout oligarch rhetoric.
But our oligarchy have only radicalized a minority of us, not the majority.
So while I understand your frustration with Americans, at least 1/3 of them have been fighting against this shit for a long time, and another 1/3 have done nothing. (Which is a different conversation
The point is - this bullshit is now bleeding into Canada and the rest of the world. So the Americans who have lost their country to it might have the best information to share about preventing it.
“Divide and Conquer” is the name of the game, and now that the US is Divided between right and left, billions of dollars of disinfo is now getting aimed your way instead.
With “Canada hates Americans” being the headline Trump wants to see in order to invade you. This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you, and why anti-Canadian rhetoric is being pushed to us.
We’ve only been allies until now, and the majority of Americans want Canada to be safe from what just happened to us.
This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you
As a Canadian, I can assure you the anti-american sentiment does not come from any rhetoric being pushed. The actions of trump and co are quite enough.
I should have been more clear in that SOME of what’s being pushed to you is rhetoric. (Especially with the Poilievre side of the media being almost identical to MAGA in that way.)
I never meant to imply that anti-American sentiment is ONLY from rhetoric. It’s been embarrassing to be an American for years now, so likewise I understand the feeling of disgust towards us and our behaviour.
But a large reason we are in this position is because we became divided on the wrong issues. Every conversation and headline became blaming Dems or the GOP for where we are instead of the oligarchs that have financed both parties for decades. The project 2025 BS is their wet dream, and Trump just needed their money to win and stay out of jail. Selling us all out to them to do so.
So now that I see that same money heading Canada’s way, to likewise divide you against yourselves and us - I feel it’s worth noting caution. Be sceptical of inflammatory headlines, and wary of others that downplay obviously bad things like a politicians criminal record. (wtf America).
But blaming the majority of American citizens is like blaming the majority of Russian ones at this point. It’s Putin / Trumps desires our governments are acting on, not our own.
The biggest difference is most of us have guns, and aren’t afraid to Luigi them towards our oligarchs. Fingers crossed we solve this one way or another before it affects other countries worse than ours.
If the people fleeing are nazis or sat around like idiots instead of voting the right way, then sure.
If a good American goes to Canada and gets treated like a nazi just because he’s American, then that American has simply found one of the shitty Canadians to avoid. One less thing to think about.
I have a feeling Americans fleeing the consequences of their disaster politics may not receive the warmest welcome in Canada. There’s a lot of animosity and a lot of it is warranted.
Are you Canadian? I have some Canadian friends and their vibe is mostly pity and offering to help if needed. I hope Canadians aren’t upset at Americans as a whole, and I generally don’t get that vibe. Obviously I only know Canadians that know me, so they’re predisposed to being nice to me lol.
We’re a lot less upset now that we see people actually fighting back - the protests, town hall zoos, Teslas spontaneously combusting…
I’m torn between disgust overall and pity and wanting to help. The thing that leans me towards the latter instead of the former is that I can see the right here in Canada trying to follow america’s footsteps…
I’m empathetic towards those who voted against this, but disgusted with the country on the whole.
Thanks for your insight as an actual Canadian lol. We really are (and have been) trying to get this under control for years at this point. We appreciate you understanding that and seeing that at least it’s not all of us.
One of my Canadian friends parents have trump signs in their yard and they are Canadian and have never been American or even to America. It’s really crazy that this is happening so many places. At least we can hope that people see where it’s left us and start actually changing their minds for the better for their own country. What happened with Le Pen recently might have happened regardless, but after seeing what not punishing officials leads to, I hope other countries learn from our mistakes.
Good luck up there. I’m sorry this is where we are, but hopefully not for long.
Yeah I say this living less than 30 mins from the border lol. The other response is not just out of touch of the relationship at the border but also not understanding how refugee status works.
I’m sorry to say it, but I think you’ll find the world is upset with Americans as a whole. You really shit the proverbial bed on this one. A few people that know you personally probably isn’t a good indication of the welcome you’re going to receive en mass, especially in countries that are being explicitly targeted, like Canada. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying maybe temper your expectations.
Gotta remember that line from MIB: “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals”
I’m not sure that’s relevant. Nobody chooses to become a refugee, it is a final act of desperation.
Don’t disagree. But the majority of Americans didn’t vote for this. Our system is just out-dated and has been slowly rigged over decades to benefit the few over the many. MOST Americans have never wanted Trump to be President. Many have spent years trying to get others to understand the consequences of his first election, and what is now his second term.
But the voices of the many, are easily drowned out by the voices of the few who enough resources to purchase all our social spaces (Twitter / Facebook) and fill it with bad actors posing as other Americans who spout oligarch rhetoric.
But our oligarchy have only radicalized a minority of us, not the majority.
So while I understand your frustration with Americans, at least 1/3 of them have been fighting against this shit for a long time, and another 1/3 have done nothing. (Which is a different conversation
The point is - this bullshit is now bleeding into Canada and the rest of the world. So the Americans who have lost their country to it might have the best information to share about preventing it.
“Divide and Conquer” is the name of the game, and now that the US is Divided between right and left, billions of dollars of disinfo is now getting aimed your way instead.
With “Canada hates Americans” being the headline Trump wants to see in order to invade you. This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you, and why anti-Canadian rhetoric is being pushed to us.
We’ve only been allies until now, and the majority of Americans want Canada to be safe from what just happened to us.
As a Canadian, I can assure you the anti-american sentiment does not come from any rhetoric being pushed. The actions of trump and co are quite enough.
Oh I don’t disagree at all there either.
I should have been more clear in that SOME of what’s being pushed to you is rhetoric. (Especially with the Poilievre side of the media being almost identical to MAGA in that way.)
I never meant to imply that anti-American sentiment is ONLY from rhetoric. It’s been embarrassing to be an American for years now, so likewise I understand the feeling of disgust towards us and our behaviour.
But a large reason we are in this position is because we became divided on the wrong issues. Every conversation and headline became blaming Dems or the GOP for where we are instead of the oligarchs that have financed both parties for decades. The project 2025 BS is their wet dream, and Trump just needed their money to win and stay out of jail. Selling us all out to them to do so.
So now that I see that same money heading Canada’s way, to likewise divide you against yourselves and us - I feel it’s worth noting caution. Be sceptical of inflammatory headlines, and wary of others that downplay obviously bad things like a politicians criminal record. (wtf America).
But blaming the majority of American citizens is like blaming the majority of Russian ones at this point. It’s Putin / Trumps desires our governments are acting on, not our own.
The biggest difference is most of us have guns, and aren’t afraid to Luigi them towards our oligarchs. Fingers crossed we solve this one way or another before it affects other countries worse than ours.
also MSM have been airing trump propaganda non-stop for the whole of 2024.
If the people fleeing are nazis or sat around like idiots instead of voting the right way, then sure.
If a good American goes to Canada and gets treated like a nazi just because he’s American, then that American has simply found one of the shitty Canadians to avoid. One less thing to think about.