This came up in my health care forum.
Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.
This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.
Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.
This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.
It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.
uh huh. I haven’t seen the legitimate science. I’ve seen cult shit, cult dynamics, and cult behavior towards kidnapped people, including myself. I don’t really trust those people to do objective science. I used to own a copy of the DSM that described homosexuality as an illness. do you want to know how it was treated? being trans is still a mental illness. so forgive my skepticism.
in fact, my parents were in a cult for a few years when I was little. they were creepy as hell and super authoritarian, but they were much nicer when they kidnapped me, never raped me, and didn’t go nearly as hard on the torture.
OH psychiatry is also covered by insurance sometimes briefly. so i guess that’s another difference.
Psychiatrists help millions of people every day by providing antidepressants, ADHD medication, mood stabilizers, anti-psychotics, anxiolytics, etc.
We have countless peer reviewed studies with an amount of raw data that is borderline unfathomable, regarding the safety and efficacy of these medications. People’s lives are made significantly better because of psychiatry. They often literally save people from suicide.
Either you’ve got a lot to learn about how science and medicine works, or you’re being extremely disingenuous.
peer reviewed. and who are the peers of psychiatrists? are they psychiatrists? because, again, I have met psychiatrists. they are very enthusiastic about authority, and not enthusiastic about being questioned. Doctors are human, they echo the shitty cultures they’re in, of course. in my experience psychiatrists are the worst about this. they’re generally more authoritarian and more hostile than any other field. my disposition towards them is shaped by my interactions with them. I do not trust psychiatrists to be more scientific or less likely to black bag me more than I trust a scientologist to do the same, and I’m a queer who lives in socal.
why do people outside the developed world, with some of the most severe mental illnesses, tend to have better outcomes with conditions like schizophrenia even without these medications available? I do not think psychiatrists genuinely help people. It feels like capitalism, where they take everything and give you back some table scraps.
like I said; the pharmacology of the human brain is EXTREMELY interesting to me, and the disposition of psychiatrists means I will never get to see it properly fucking studied. this makes me angry and sad.
Oh ok… So you straight up just don’t understand the scientific method. Yikes… I honestly don’t know what to say other than that you should really try to learn more about the peer review process, how drugs and treatments are tested before becoming mainstream, etc.
Would love to see some evidence to back this claim up. I know you won’t provide it because you cannot, because it’s simply not true. And it’s kind of concerning that someone would even believe this in the first place.
well I was going to when I had some caffeine, but I guess you aren’t interested. is it really so shocking to believe that culture has an effect on how our brains work, and the ways they malfunction?
I don’t really understand how that has anything to do with psychiatry and whether it works or not.
Do you want to know why we understand anything about how culture affects how our brains work? Science. Peer review. And yes, say it with me now: psychiatry.
SSRIs are some of the, if not the, most studied medications on the planet. They’re not just improvising out there. You need to inform yourself about how all of this actually works before you try to make the kinds of claims and generalizations you are making.
I have tried SSRI’s! not a fan! I’m sure there’s a lot of science on the chemistry, and sure, that might be valid, but when it comes to what that chemistry DOES, the only people who are respected to assess that are psychiatrists, who I don’t trust or respect as far as I can throw them. I genuinely do not trust any study with psychiatrists involved. I do not trust them to observe anything that does not confirm their power, and I do not trust them to accurately report observations that run counter to their interests. if it helps, I think scientologists are just as sus.
I don’t really respect your position here, I think you’re being dogmatic about science, which is fucking disrespectful to the ideas behind it, which both dulls your point substantially and loses much of my respect.
Surely you understand that, statistically, your anecdote is meaningless, right?
That’s simply not true. Ever hear of pharmacology? Ever hear of double-blind studies? You really have no idea what you’re talking about. And that’s fine, but you have to recognize it and stop saying such ridiculous shit with so much confidence.
Being dogmatic about science? I’m literally just trying to explain the very basics of how the scientific method works because obviously you do not understand it.
What power?! What world do you live in??
I’m so fucking sick of this demonization of science and scientists. This is same as the “scientists are greedy and just want grant money” bullshit. Just completely misrepresenting the entire industry/community and discrediting everything that they do (which, by the way, you seem to have no issue with reaping the benefits of on a daily basis)… It’s bizarre to be honest.
And the shit you are saying is straight out of Scientology, so I’m wondering if I was actually correct in my initial comment. Who needs SSRIs when you can just do an audit and get rid of those pesky thetans for $100,000?