In most democracies, there are election poll watchers from the major parties, and also independent poll watchers to observe and make sure no shenanigans are going on. The Democratic and independent poll watchers would’ve reported any election irregularities. I not seeing widespread reports of such.
States run elections, even safe blue states shifted 10+ percentanage more red.
So my conclusion: The vote count itself is probably legit.
The real “rigging” was done via unlimited political spending legalized by the Citizens United ruling to unfairly buy propaganda spreading lies. That, exacerbated by inflasion, voter apathy, democratic party incompetence, voter roll purges, and most important of all: Human Stupidity. And this timeline is the result.
Think about all those people getting scammed all the time. You see those stories and be like “OMG how can they be so stupid”. Well this is the same, but with politics and elections. Talk to people and you’ll see how dumb they are. Some people genuinely think that fascist coup plotter will fix things. 🤦♂️
These elections (like the one OP is talking about) are election has lower turnout, so it probably favors democrats, since democrats are more energized to vote after the defeat last november.
There was a ton of irregularities reported btw. I forget the exact number but like 20-40 with enough evidence that they were bringing the cases forward. But when Trump came in he appointed someone to a role who dismissed them all.
But it wasn’t because she was fired they didn’t go forward, it’s because the board is 3/3 dem/rep so a republican would need to ‘flip’
Asked by Alicia Menendez, “What is most alarming to you?” she replied, “Well, I can’t talk about anything that would be currently before the commission by law, complaints that are filed and any investigatory action remains confidential until the cases are closed.”
She then continued. “But I can tell you that in the past we have had 63 separate complaints filed against the president or his political committees –– and not all complaints are well-founded not all complaints are worth the agency’s time to pursue. But our nonpartisan professional staff has advocated that we pursue 31 of those cases and, in not a single one, did we get four votes to move forward.”
This is one of the things they talked about in the election interference hearings in December too
“Almost every matter that the FEC has not pursued is associated with the former president [Trump]” (Rep Torres, about 57minutes in)
There’s a pretty strong theory that it wass rigged by the tabulator software. One of the guys in DOGE was hired because he literally wrote software that could do that exact thing - modify submitted ballots. His involvement was literally scrubbed from the Internet before people found out about it (they missed a few spots). The Election Truth Alliance did a report on Clark County, NV, showed that there was a heavy skew after around 60% of the ballots were processed that should started lumping everything towards Trump - essentially, the votes should be chaotic, and almost somewhat random, not clearly clustering at the 60% mark.
Other red flags, we had one of the largest years for voter registration, a majority for Democrats. The polling all showed that we were crushing it. His rallies were showing lower turnout, and everything pointed to his platform losing steam…and then he somehow wins every single swing state?
Yeeeaaaahhhhh…that doesn’t happen…you should be questioning the results.
is there any data on registered voter turnout in a handful of counties where it really mattered? Because that would tell you whether or not the discrepancy is due to democrats simply not voting, a well known problem within the democratic party.
Per Ballotopedia:
"The average turnout in the seven presidential battleground states was 70% in 2024. This was below the 2020 average, which was 70.7%. "
One additional thing…Trump won every battleground, but somehow Democrats won pretty much every down ballot race in those states. I don’t believe for a second that someone voting Democrat down the board is going to vote Trump…a few voters will sure, but not enough to swing nearly every down ballot race…that’s absurd.
turnout compared to registration, not previous registration of the year before, compared to the previous year that turnout implies very high return rates, which are not quite what we see when looking at the data, the 2020 election had about 5 million more total turnout than the 2024 election. Likely due to the easier voting at the time of the 2020 election. Which is about a 3% change in turnout.
turnout in the battleground states being the same makes sense, i’m curious about the turnout between registered voters, and political alignment, because if i had to guess, a bunch of registered dems, didn’t vote. Which would align with the party demographics, of course the other options are, the US literally wanted trump, which was a global shift away from incumbency, you can see it in the data, or that more republicans were mobilized.
It’s not hard to account for the voter turnout, the problem is specifically why, did trump just run a more effective campaign mobilizing more people? Or did the harris campaign fail to mobilize people to actually vote, as has historically happened.
I don’t believe for a second that someone voting Democrat down the board is going to vote Trump
i mean, does this align with the incumbency though? Coming from the biden admin where he had pretty bad ratings, it’s possible a lot of the downballots were republican at the time, the us tends to flipflop like that, again, it’s historical precedent.
Also:
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
gonna stop spamming this link now, but MAN it’s infuriating that noone even considers this. They’ve been doing voter suppression for decades, how hard is it to connect the dots?
The real “rigging” was done via unlimited political spending legalized by the Citizens United ruling to unfairly buy propaganda spreading lies. That, exacerbated by inflasion, voter apathy, democratic party incompetence, voter roll purges, and most important of all: Human Stupidity. And this timeline is the result.
My point is, the actual vote count itself is legitimate, but the fairness of the election as a whole was definitely unfair.
All elections in the history of the US has been biased in favor of the more regressive candidate. This one is not much different.
OMG here we go again.
In most democracies, there are election poll watchers from the major parties, and also independent poll watchers to observe and make sure no shenanigans are going on. The Democratic and independent poll watchers would’ve reported any election irregularities. I not seeing widespread reports of such.
States run elections, even safe blue states shifted 10+ percentanage more red.
So my conclusion: The vote count itself is probably legit.
The real “rigging” was done via unlimited political spending legalized by the Citizens United ruling to unfairly buy propaganda spreading lies. That, exacerbated by inflasion, voter apathy, democratic party incompetence, voter roll purges, and most important of all: Human Stupidity. And this timeline is the result.
Think about all those people getting scammed all the time. You see those stories and be like “OMG how can they be so stupid”. Well this is the same, but with politics and elections. Talk to people and you’ll see how dumb they are. Some people genuinely think that fascist coup plotter will fix things. 🤦♂️
These elections (like the one OP is talking about) are election has lower turnout, so it probably favors democrats, since democrats are more energized to vote after the defeat last november.
There was a ton of irregularities reported btw. I forget the exact number but like 20-40 with enough evidence that they were bringing the cases forward. But when Trump came in he appointed someone to a role who dismissed them all.
I want to believe that, cause it confirms my biases, but you gotta source?
Took me a while but I found what I was thinking of.
It was the Fired FEC head
But it wasn’t because she was fired they didn’t go forward, it’s because the board is 3/3 dem/rep so a republican would need to ‘flip’
This is one of the things they talked about in the election interference hearings in December too
Link to thread discussing: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/JUGCXE7Gab
Link to full hearing on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/live/mIDJ5whpSHQ
Certainly suspicious.
There’s a pretty strong theory that it wass rigged by the tabulator software. One of the guys in DOGE was hired because he literally wrote software that could do that exact thing - modify submitted ballots. His involvement was literally scrubbed from the Internet before people found out about it (they missed a few spots). The Election Truth Alliance did a report on Clark County, NV, showed that there was a heavy skew after around 60% of the ballots were processed that should started lumping everything towards Trump - essentially, the votes should be chaotic, and almost somewhat random, not clearly clustering at the 60% mark.
Other red flags, we had one of the largest years for voter registration, a majority for Democrats. The polling all showed that we were crushing it. His rallies were showing lower turnout, and everything pointed to his platform losing steam…and then he somehow wins every single swing state?
Yeeeaaaahhhhh…that doesn’t happen…you should be questioning the results.
is there any data on registered voter turnout in a handful of counties where it really mattered? Because that would tell you whether or not the discrepancy is due to democrats simply not voting, a well known problem within the democratic party.
Per Ballotopedia: "The average turnout in the seven presidential battleground states was 70% in 2024. This was below the 2020 average, which was 70.7%. "
One additional thing…Trump won every battleground, but somehow Democrats won pretty much every down ballot race in those states. I don’t believe for a second that someone voting Democrat down the board is going to vote Trump…a few voters will sure, but not enough to swing nearly every down ballot race…that’s absurd.
turnout compared to registration, not previous registration of the year before, compared to the previous year that turnout implies very high return rates, which are not quite what we see when looking at the data, the 2020 election had about 5 million more total turnout than the 2024 election. Likely due to the easier voting at the time of the 2020 election. Which is about a 3% change in turnout.
turnout in the battleground states being the same makes sense, i’m curious about the turnout between registered voters, and political alignment, because if i had to guess, a bunch of registered dems, didn’t vote. Which would align with the party demographics, of course the other options are, the US literally wanted trump, which was a global shift away from incumbency, you can see it in the data, or that more republicans were mobilized.
It’s not hard to account for the voter turnout, the problem is specifically why, did trump just run a more effective campaign mobilizing more people? Or did the harris campaign fail to mobilize people to actually vote, as has historically happened.
i mean, does this align with the incumbency though? Coming from the biden admin where he had pretty bad ratings, it’s possible a lot of the downballots were republican at the time, the us tends to flipflop like that, again, it’s historical precedent.
Also: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/ gonna stop spamming this link now, but MAN it’s infuriating that noone even considers this. They’ve been doing voter suppression for decades, how hard is it to connect the dots?
I mean I literally said this:
My point is, the actual vote count itself is legitimate, but the fairness of the election as a whole was definitely unfair.
All elections in the history of the US has been biased in favor of the more regressive candidate. This one is not much different.