Nah, not about people being stupid. The propaganda apparatus is omnipresent and STRONG, it’s been perfected over centuries, and it accompanies us from birth to death.
idk what to tell you. I was a dumb teenager, then when I hit my early 20s I started seeing everything from a zoomed out perspective (instead of working within a framework)
I thought about the job market and saw that either A) everyone gets equal B) the lowest tier gets pushed into homelessness and then prison forever and ever as long as it’s gradual enough that everyone isn’t unemployed all at once
Communism isn’t when everyone gets equal, it’s just a system in which there aren’t two classes, with one owning the capital and the other having to sell their labor power as a commodity while being exploited.
Misanthropy and socialism don’t go well together IMO. My desires of social justice and betterment of living standards for everyone aren’t that compatible with misanthropy, at least in my opinion. What makes you a socialist then?
Again, no. I don’t see why someone studying 20 years to be a doctor and performing 10-hour surgeries has to earn the same as someone who, say, earns a living in a less qualified position or who just wants to work less, communism isn’t when everyone gets the same. Equal opportunities hopefully, as much as possible, but definitely not everyone getting the same necessarily.
To be a pedant, but not to dog-pile, if you want to boil communism down to a statement, that statement is (as Marx points out in the Manifesto) to paraphrase ‘Human development would be best if all lived by the maxim, from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.’ Which is, of course, why reading theory is important.
There is a difference. It’s not ‘just’ ‘everyone is equal’, as liberals claim their society provides with legal equality, and that from legal equality stems liberty. It is a statement that strips liberals of their claim towards the ‘maximization of human liberty’, and posits that the giving of real materials to the people who are in need of them, not just ideals in a vacuum, are what maximizes overall human development and liberty.
Of course there is, if someone develops class consciousness at 75 we should still take them into the fold.
I was a lib till at least 23 or 24, but I really don’t like the superiority thing I’ve seen of “well I was a communist when I was 16”. Its not a competition.
people are just way stupider and uninteresting than you think
Nah, not about people being stupid. The propaganda apparatus is omnipresent and STRONG, it’s been perfected over centuries, and it accompanies us from birth to death.
idk what to tell you. I was a dumb teenager, then when I hit my early 20s I started seeing everything from a zoomed out perspective (instead of working within a framework)
I thought about the job market and saw that either A) everyone gets equal B) the lowest tier gets pushed into homelessness and then prison forever and ever as long as it’s gradual enough that everyone isn’t unemployed all at once
thinking that people are stupid and uninteresting is a very dumb teenager take, so consider how much perspective you have actually gained
Communism isn’t when everyone gets equal, it’s just a system in which there aren’t two classes, with one owning the capital and the other having to sell their labor power as a commodity while being exploited.
Misanthropy and socialism don’t go well together IMO. My desires of social justice and betterment of living standards for everyone aren’t that compatible with misanthropy, at least in my opinion. What makes you a socialist then?
that’s just “everyone gets equal” in 10x more words
Again, no. I don’t see why someone studying 20 years to be a doctor and performing 10-hour surgeries has to earn the same as someone who, say, earns a living in a less qualified position or who just wants to work less, communism isn’t when everyone gets the same. Equal opportunities hopefully, as much as possible, but definitely not everyone getting the same necessarily.
To be a pedant, but not to dog-pile, if you want to boil communism down to a statement, that statement is (as Marx points out in the Manifesto) to paraphrase ‘Human development would be best if all lived by the maxim, from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.’ Which is, of course, why reading theory is important.
There is a difference. It’s not ‘just’ ‘everyone is equal’, as liberals claim their society provides with legal equality, and that from legal equality stems liberty. It is a statement that strips liberals of their claim towards the ‘maximization of human liberty’, and posits that the giving of real materials to the people who are in need of them, not just ideals in a vacuum, are what maximizes overall human development and liberty.
Yeah I guess there’s still time to grow up after you get out of your early twenties. Certainly hope so.
Of course there is, if someone develops class consciousness at 75 we should still take them into the fold.
I was a lib till at least 23 or 24, but I really don’t like the superiority thing I’ve seen of “well I was a communist when I was 16”. Its not a competition.
I was telling you to grow up.
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