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  • hedgehog@ttrpg.networktoShowerthoughts@lemmy.world•It is deeply bad that a moderator can remove any post or reply.
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    1 个月前

    It’s a discussion of principle.

    This is a foreign concept?

    It appears to be a foreign concept for you.

    I don’t believe that it’s a fundamentally bad thing to converse in moderated spaces; you do. You say “giving somebody the power to arbitrarily censor and modify our conversation is a fundamentally bad thing” like it’s a fact, indicating you believe this, but you’ve been given the tools to avoid giving others the power to moderate your conversation and you have chosen not to use them. This means that you are saying “I have chosen to do a thing that I believe is fundamentally bad.” Why would anyone trust such a person?

    For that matter, is this even a discussion? People clearly don’t agree with you and you haven’t explained your reasoning. If a moderator’s actions are logged and visible to users, and users have the choice of engaging under the purview of a moderator or moving elsewhere, what’s the problem?

    It is deeply bad that…

    Why?

    Yes, I know, trolls, etc…

    In other words, “let me ignore valid arguments for why moderation is needed.”

    But such action turns any conversation into a bad joke.

    It doesn’t.

    And anybody who trusts a moderator is a fool.

    In places where moderator’s actions are unlogged and they’re not accountable to the community, sure - and that’s true on mainstream social media. Here, moderators are performing a service for the benefit of the community.

    Have you never heard the phrase “Trust, but verify?”

    Find a better way.

    This is the better way.

  • hedgehog@ttrpg.networktoShowerthoughts@lemmy.world•It is deeply bad that a moderator can remove any post or reply.
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    1 个月前

    Yes, I know, trolls etc. But such action turns any conversation into a bad joke. And anybody who trusts a moderator is a fool.

    Not just trolls - there’s much worse content out there, some of which can get you sent to jail in most (all?) jurisdictions.

    And even ignoring that, many users like their communities to remain focused on a given topic. Moderation allows this to happen without requiring a vetting process prior to posting. Maybe you don’t want that, but most users do.

    Find a better way.

    Here’s an option: you can code a fork or client that automatically parses the modlog, finds comments and posts that have been removed, and makes them visible in your feed. You could even implement the ability to reply by hosting replies on a different instance or community.

    For you and anyone who uses your fork, it’ll be as though they were never removed.

    Do you have issues with the above approach?

  • hedgehog@ttrpg.networktoShowerthoughts@lemmy.world•It is deeply bad that a moderator can remove any post or reply.
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    1 个月前

    As a user, you can:

    • Review instance and community rules prior to participating
    • Review the moderator logs to confirm that moderation activities have been in line with the rules
    • If you notice a discrepancy, e.g., over-moderation, you can hold the mods accountable and draw attention to it or simply choose not to engage in that instance or community
    • Host your own instance
    • Create communities in an existing instance or your own instance

    If you host your own instance and communities within that instance, then at that point, you have full control, right? Other instances can de-federate from yours.