The poor snoo look at its sad face :(

shortly before his writing style was brought into the political mainstream in the 2016 presidential election.

Omg lmao

What in the god damn

Yup, you’re exactly right with your analysis. They’re pulling typical tankie BS ironically.

Yeah I know, I don’t think them being tankies is really a problem for Lemmy as a whole. I was just annoyed that all they had to say is “no we aren’t tankies” and people just took them at their word lol

Yeah they confuse criticizing China with racism against Chinese people. Additionally they claim that any source from and news agency or journalists in the US that says anything bad about the USSR or China is CIA propaganda and should be ignored but then exclusively site Chinese propaganda websites.

There’s also a lot of other evidence: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/-/comment/294792

Just because they said they weren’t? They just dismissed the claim without linking to any real counter evidence by claiming it’s just a random Mastodon user or whatever

Here are some mod logs from lemmy.ml (which is an instance run by the Lemmy devs) from a few years ago: https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/89852/the-lemmy-ml-admin-is-banning-anyone-that-mentions-stalin-or

Here’s one of the Lemmy devs (you can tell it’s them from their profile activity) denying genocide: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/

Insisting that fascists are good, actually not fascists at all, as long as their nationalism makes them oppose the US (because the enemy of my enemy is a totally good guy!): https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/vgg2x3/thoughts_on_slavoj_zizek/id2cxb8/

There’s more here: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/-/comment/294792

I won’t argue that there is a possibility that things could go wrong for federated and a decentralized social networks like Lemmy and Mastodon, and we are going to have to fight a cultural and technological battle against that, but I think at least this is a very good start, and I don’t think it inherently has to go that way either.

I think one of the key things that will prevent the capture of the Fediverse by corporations is never ever allowing whitelists for instance defederation and blocking to happen.

If that ever does happen, it becomes trivially easy to break the decentralized network up into a few centralized silos that are all disconnected from the rest of the network completely, whereas, the way it stands now, you have to explicitly block anyone you don’t want to be connected to, so it’s a great way to deal with bad actors and nasty instances, but makes it extremely hard to wall off your instance completely, because if you block another instance it’s trivially easy for the people that are unhappy with that to find or create a small new instance that flies under the radar and allows them to see the content on both the instance they left and the incense it blocked. It also makes it incredibly hard to capture people on your instance because they can always create a small instance and use that instance to see the content on the instance they left.

I think also limiting block list size for instances (but not users!) Could be a really good way of doing this too because then any instance I want to block a ton of other instances is going to have to fork lemmy to lift that band and then everyone will know they did that and know to get off it.

Absolutely agreed

Also, to be fair, there’s much less of a system to game in the first place, because you don’t have an overall karma score, so there’s not really any incentive to karma farm.

I think kind of depends on how deeply you explored the instance list to find and instance that really vibes with you and makes you feel like excited to join. If you join one of the major ones like lemmy.ml or lemmy.world or shit just works or another one of the big instances, it’ll just feel like the early days of Reddit — young and active and exciting because it’s a new platform but not particularly unique feel or culture or anything because they’re just general purpose instances that let anyone in and so kind of end up with a common denominator internet culture. If you really go far down the instance list, though, and find an instance with less than a hundred users that has a really particular theme, target audience, and user culture, like I did, then it feels radically different than any other social media platform. I think that being on the big instances kind of hides the fact that Lemmy is super decentralized, just like the early internet, and so can give rise to really niche, unique, diverse, and interesting communities.

Whoops! Fixed. Thanks

It would be amazing if Lemmy implemented silencing/muting instances, it would make a great middle ground between fully federating or defederating so that it’s less binary and absolutist, and allows more individual freedom within mod actions. I think having a spectrum of choices when it comes to interaction will help social media networks a lot, because it means there are more ways to deal with problems and it more mirrors real life social groups, which means the dynamics are less artificial and distorted.

Well, yeah you shouldn’t shit on them for not having gotten to features you want yet, but it’s also okay to talk about how important and crucial some features are. And yes, I agree that the best solution is to lend them a hand in building the features you want! I know Rust pretty well and would love to help out tbh, but I have a serious disability that makes extended focus on cognitive tasks very difficult and deleterious, so all I can really do rn is cheer other people on.

Also I’ve heard the main two Lemmy devs are actually being paid to work on it, which isn’t surprising to me as a lot of software companies will pay their employees to work on open source projects. So it isn’t totally free labor.

I agree that those are the three really big flaws that need to be fixed ASAP. Especially one and three. Without those, the federated/decentralized nature of Lemmy is hamstrung. With them, it becomes much more powerful. We need to get the devs on these flaws before Lemmy blows up more than it already has, everything else can wait imo

Me irl

We need to crowd source a common list of instances to block from users and mods across the network for instances to use, like people on Mastodon started doing. It was really effective. Defederation is really the only way to deal with / only check on users that sign up on instances that don’t moderate them at all in order to harass others with impunity, since moderators can’t effect users on s different instance and so it basically gives such users free reign. That’s why IMHO defederation is a REALLY crucial tool to make this place livable, otherwise it’d be filled with trolls doing their thing with absolute impunity and there would be nothing mods, who are supposed to be the first line of defense for that kind of thing, could do,

So in terms of beehaw vs lemmy.world I would be on instance 3 - I can see and participate both, their defederation from each other doesn’t affect you, it only affects the users of beehaw or Lemmy.world

This aspect is really crucial for people to understand, so I wanted to emphasize it. This is what gives the Fediverse it’s hyper free nature, where if you don’t like which instances your instance has chosen tp block, you can always switch to a third instance and have access to both your old instance (thus solving the network effect) and the new one (thus giving you freedom of association). This sort of connected-by-default design choice (I.e. using blacklists instead of whitelists) is also crucial for maintaining the general interconnectivity of the network thats crucial to its functioning.