Elbows Up!

Oh I knew that’s why they were saying it, I just wanted to see what their asinine justification for the stance would have been had they responded.

Can I ask your reason for wanting this? (Preferably not just “their parents aren’t citizens, why should they be?”)

Ignore the bait folks…

Perhaps helping them would improve the situation. Give them housing, voluntary treatment, and treat them like people, and you’ll find they’re just like you and me.

Vancouver is quite expensive, I’ll be honest. If you are okay with a commute, you can live in surrey, Langley, or even abbotsford/chilliwack. Long commute to Vancouver, but anywhere from 10-30+% cheaper rent last I checked.

Canada should be seen as a time-delayed America in a cultural+political sense. A thing that happens in america will generally occur in a similar manner 1-10 years later here. Our Liberal and NDP (Progressive) parties continually move further to the right at differing paces, and all of our parties & leaders have major issues (in differing amounts):

Trudeau (LPC) is a proven corrupt man who has abandoned the working class more every time he shuts down a major strike (every major strike).

Poilievre (CPC) is a less charismatic, cryptofascistic version of trump, and is very likely to win the next national elsction. This could be any time between tomorrow and Oct 20, 2025 and could be catastrophic for Canadians.

Singh (NDP) is a very lovely man, but has a tendency to make decisions that give his party less bargaining power (See: canceling supply and trade agreement without trying to use it as a threat first)

Paradox of intolerance to some extent. Residential school denialism in politics and media is still negatively impacting public perception of indigenous people.

I dress like this in the summer as a nonbinary person

True!

Except thats not even fully correct either. Hezbollah is also a political party with members who are 100% non-militant civilian members who are only politicians.

We Taught This Chimpanzee to Understand the American Political System and He Hanged Himself

Well… “They’re all” is kinda rhetorical shorthand, but the vast, vast majority of Israeli citizens are colonizers definitionally, just like how “all” north Americans are colonizers (obviously except indigenous people). The difference is that the USA/Canadian settler colonial projects have already “”“succeeded”“”.

Unfortunately, as far as im aware, we generally are skimping. In the videos I linked above, it’s explained (with sources!) that most of the “issues” which the Fire Chiefs Association raises are issues in dual stairwell buildings as well. This is because of a number of factors, but includes items such as:

• In the case that a fire breaches the containment of an apartment unit and spreads to the rest of the building, one stairwell is often allowed to burn relatively uncontrolled so that firefighters can focus on evacuating residents instead

• The long hallways of dual stairwell buildings mean that it’s more likely for residents to get cut off from a safe stairwell, or need to travel a longer distance to a safe stairwell, vs single stairwell buildings where the stairs are right there

• As dual stairwell buildings often end up with only 1 usable stairwell in the case of a fire, it’s a little silly to say that dual stairwell buildings allow residents coming down to not obstruct firefighters going up (especially when you consider that even with 2 stairwells, you can’t control which one people will use, even if both are functional)

• Finally, for what it’s worth, my understanding is that positive pressure halls/staircases do aide greatly, even in the case that a fire is directly in the hall as they keep smoke from settling.

Edit: forgot two:

• they’re in quite a few buildings now, but implementing widespread sprinkler systems in apartments is shown to contain fires to a room 96.2% of the time. (There’s a few different figures for this, but it generally seems to be between 88-97% effective)

• IMPLEMENTING WIDESPREAD AND MANDAROTY TESTING OF SAFETY MEASURES. The majority of major & lethal fires are caused by faulty, untested, or otherwise nonexistent fire safety equipment. Requiring proper testing of sprinkler systems, fire alarms, ventilation, validation of building integrity, and other measures could greatly reduce fire danger in north american apartments, regardless of how many staircases they have.

It’s understandable and extremely good to be distrustful of the motives of politicians. Genuinely, I applaud you for not trusting them blindly.

But in this case especially, Revi Kahlon and the other NDP members who worked on this have provided overwhelming evidence (facts) for the safety of single stairwell designs. Their evidence is coming from Europe and asia who have used these for a long time and still have better fire safety than we do in north america, they also have evidence from Seattle, which implemented similar changes and has found no measurable increase in fatalities or injuries from fires.

Unfortunately, in my opinion, the Fire Chiefs Association has provided limited supportive data to counter the mountain of evidence that exists for switching to single stairwell, and that’s before even considering additional safety measures like pressurized/ventilated hallways, external fire exits, fire barriers, and high flow per-apartment sprinkler systems.

I understand it’s concerning to hear when a fire chief is saying that this change could be dangerous, but the gentleman in the linked video provides far more stats regarding the fire safety of single stairwell dwellings than Mr Cairney has.

In fact, so many people have had this concern, that he made a followup with even more evidence for how safe a properly built single stairwell apartment building is, contrary to what the Fire Chiefs Association would suggest https://youtu.be/ozwkP9Zsi0Y

Single stairwell buildings are shown to be just as fire-safe as dual stairwell buildings when built properly. It also provides the benefit of more, larger units that are faster and less expensive to build.

Here’s a fantastic video that was reportedly part of the influence for housing minister Revi Kahlon’s announcement: https://youtu.be/iRdwXQb7CfM

That’s nice that you have an opinion.

Unfortunately I dont care if you disagree, as there is plenty of scientific literature which supports the stance of modern school boards.

Try getting out of your ‘touchy feels’ about reality and read a book sometime.

Edit: for the reference of anyone in the future, despite the tone of my message, the intent was not to put down their opinion, but rather to provide non-anecdotal evidence for my own

I agree with the first part, but unfortunately being failed in school is probably part of why we’re here. It leads to lower student happiness and worse ongoing grades (source: partner is a pre-service teacher)

In the case of a usurper government that was massacring citizens within 8 days of taking power, under the veil of “removing human obstacles” and eliminating “hostile groups”… I would argue that support and willful ignorance are one in the same. Unwillingness to refuse supply of arms or materials to the government that is undertaking these actions does nothing but strengthen their campaign of violence.

Do you mind answering why you feel this way about homeless people? You or I could be among them tomorrow for all we know, I would hope that someone wouldn’t feel that animosity towards me.