I haven’t kept up with Rojava but as far as I’m aware they got some aid and they coordinated on a military level but US support for Rojava was, unsurprisingly, quite fleeting and they don’t really give a fuck about an ongoing partnership with Rojava. I’m not sure what deals were made exactly but I think framing it in Faustian terms rather than limited military coordination doesn’t really reflect the reality.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/inside-story-how-trump-kept-oil-syria-and-lost https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-energy-syrian-oil-391033 https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/05/kurds-oil-syria-us-troops-trump/

Rojava is an important part of America’s extraction of oil and other raw materials. This is a deep economic cooperation.

In that case, I have good news for you.

But then on the other hand, you would hope that Palestine wouldn’t support Turkish sub-imperialism/regional imperialism by cheering them on when they take land from Syria or from Rojava and yet Hamas did exactly that when Turkey seized Afrin.

And this is where it gets messy because down at this level you have pretty extensive collaboration between the PKK and the PFLP going back decades upon decades but the PKK does not support Hamas, and Hamas does not support the PKK.

I admit that i had no knowledge of this information. Self criticism: I’ve run wild with what little information I have and try to make it known that I know little on the subject when I speak of it.

Politics is confusing as fuck. I very much appreciate Hamas and its righteous fight against genocide, but the PFLP is my personal favorite. George Habash will live forever! Support to both Hamas and PFLP for fighting together against the Zionist menace.

All Israel cares about is itself. They want a weakened and balkanised West Asia so they have weaker opposition and more opportunities to expand their Golan lebensraum. They’d back ISIS if it meant the fall of the Syrian government because it would provide them with a chance to grab more of Syria.

There’s no ideological basis of support for Rojava coming from Israel beyond the “Arabs bad”/“We support the noble freedom fighters who are struggling for a homeland for their oppressed ethnic group because that gives us the aura that Israel is the exact same thing”.

I wouldn’t take their support for a movement as anything but cyncial political manoeuvring tbh.

Of course it is cynical political maneuvering, Israel is a state run by genocidal bastards who make it their job to lie to everyone about the genocide of palestine while also actively doing it and cheering it on.

Im talking more about the response of some sectors of kurdistan in supporting Israel in response. Israel wouldn’t support this movement unless it got something out of it: the balkanization of syria.

Syria has worked very hard to suppress the Kurds within its borders. The Syrian government stripped Syrian Kurds of Syrian citizenship en masse, creating stateless people numbering somewhere between a quarter of a million and half a million and now Syria has a Kurdish secessionist state to contend with? That sounds like the second stage in the fuck around and find out process to me.

You had maybe half a million Kurds whose ability to travel outside of their province or to access things like education was prevented by the Syrian government. I see Rojava not as being some betrayal or abandonment of Syria by the Kurds but rather a recognition of the reality, of the long-term consequences of Syria’s betrayal and abandonment of the Kurds.

Im entirely ignorant on this matter, I apologize, I did not know the oppression was to such an extent. A thoroughly repugnant and reactionary decision from the Syrian government.

I do believe in Kurdish self determination, and recognize that rojava is an inevitable and correct response to a hostile government infringing on their self determination. I did before and will continue to believe in such, I just wanted to state my confusion on the matter at hand, and help find new information and perspectives.

Although its very privileged of me to lay in my bed debating the merits of a life or death liberation struggle… this is fucked up

If you’re saying that the Kurds should subjugate their very real and pressing concerns about their oppression at the hands of the Syrian government out of high-minded ideals about a greater anti-imperialist purpose by supporting Assad then I’m not with you on that.

and to this, with your stated reasons, I can understand this. I shouldn’t have said or implied that they should just deal with this racial discrimination and the ethnic cleansing that they have faced for centuries.

Im just confused, to have two technically ‘good’ and ‘righteous’ struggles against imperialism in conflict. America stirring up trouble in the region is no help either.

Is the US the great Satan? Undoubtedly.

Is it fair to expect a people to care about this fact when the boot that has been on their neck for generations is that of the Syrian government? I’m not convinced that it is.

I sympathize with the perspective, but historically that road is extremely dangerous. China’s own US aligned policy during the cold war is a testament to this. Funding the mujaheideen, Pol Pot, and conducting armed incursions into soviet territory were just insane but necessary requirements for an pro american policy. Thats even as China is a Independent state entity, while Rojava is a small separatist movement being tossed in the flames of civil war.

Im just stumped on where to align. I dont have to fully back any power, but its more of making sure my own ideological outlook is not an incorrect and reactionary one. National liberation is important to me as I live in Hawaii, and am fully committed to its complete independence and self determination of the Native hawaiians (that being control over state, culture, and economy of the nation of Hawaii). Having a good line on minority rights and national liberation is a big concern of mine. Here, complete opposition to the US is the only way to truly liberate ourselves, so I guess the context is different in other places…

I mean Gaddaffi did support the Kurds immensely…

bah its all a mess