• HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org
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    “Us versus them” politics are asking for a complete washout on the international stage.

    In the end, when the shit hits the fan, are you going to align yourself with the country that makes All the Things, or the one that can’t even pass a budget? COVID proved that it wasn’t just good-times, low-stakes gridlock: even existential crises weren’t enough to get America to cooperate and discipline herself.

    If real life were a survival movie, we’d be getting to the scene where the secondary characters decide whether to follow Grandpa Sticky, who’s in the midst of full-blown dementia and was at best a vaguely racist philosophy professor when lucid, or the 22-year-old trained soldier with a fully stocked supply line. And we’d be throwing popcorn at the screen and deriding how terrible the writing is.

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        reading Lenin’s Imperialism

        is that Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism? or Imperialism and the Split in Socialism? it’s about time I start reading these things

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          I’m talking about the former. It was written during WW1 and makes an analysis of the reasons why WW1 happened and why it’s an imperialist war that took place as a consequence of the capitalists within the different countries fighting for supremacy. I don’t expect the Chinese government to encourage militarism and conflict, but I do expect that from the US government, and I can’t say I feel like the US will give away its hegemony in the world stage without a “tantrum” first.

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    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

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        From the article:

        Approved legislation would also block scientific cooperation with China, while banning the sale of US farmland to nationals of China, Russia, Iran, and the DPRK (North Korea).

        From the bill summary:

        “Science and Technology Agreement Enhanced Congressional Notification Act of 2023

        This bill requires the Department of State to notify Congress regarding science and technology agreements with China. Any existing agreement is revoked unless the State Department notifies Congress regarding the agreement no later than 60 days after enactment of this bill. The State Department must notify Congress 30 days prior to entering, renewing, or extending any science and technology agreement with China. A notification shall contain (1) the full text of the agreement, (2) a written justification for the agreement, (3) an assessment of the risks and potential effects of the agreement, and (4) a detailed justification for how the State Department intends to address human rights concerns arising from the agreement’s scientific and technology collaboration.„

        They’re essentially making any government-related researchers jump through hoops to enable any form co-operation and collaboration.

        This will significantly drop the amount of scientific collaboration between the two nations. Because even if you are not part of any state-wide project, this paranoia will still spill over into many institutions, especially because of the media circus surrounding current China -USA relations.

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        This smacks of someone who never actually interacts with the working class in a political/organizing sense. Americans are, in fact, the most propagandized people on earth, swarmed with an endless array of anti-communist, pro-colonial lies from every possible institutional and media direction.

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            Yeah obviously there’s a substantial section of the US “working class” who genuinely fits the description and material interest of labor aristocracy. But conditions for the working class in the US are genuinely quite bad in most instances. Propaganda instead of education, unhealthy food, the horror wrought by car culture, a massive internally colonized racial underclass, huge homelessness, medical and student debt, terrible housing quality for a terrible cost. There’s no widespread redistribution of imperial plunder except in the form of pure quantity. Americans - even most poor ones - are flooded with mountains of cheap garbage that actively worsens their quality of life. They are propagandized to being quantity of stuff = quality of life, but we know that’s bullshit, and so does a growing number of people.

            Things suck ass here. Most Americans will be better off under post-imperial socialism in large part because they will have less stuff. And then they get all the benefits of international solidarity, actual democratic systems, and a halfway decent sense of social responsibility towards each other.

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              I think even people who are part of the US “underclass” in a lot of cases have a quality of life better than most non-labor-aristocrats in the Global South. Hence why people migrate here. People go through hell even to work undocumented in the US.

              You’re not going to convince anyone to “support socialism” by saying “your quality of life will increase”. Spoiler: it won’t. People won’t care about “all the benefits of international solidarity” because equal distribution of wealth would make them poorer.

              You don’t grow a radical left-wing movement in the US by trying to sell people on their personal quality of life increasing. We already have organizations like the AFL-CIO who’s goal is trading quality of life in the global south for quality of life for people in the imperial core. All it takes is right-wing spokespeople to say “hey we’ll get you a bigger paycheck if we just screw these Venezuelans” and workers in the imperial core are like “oh sweet lets help them bring democracy to Venezuela and make ourselves richer too this is great there’s no downsides and no I don’t need the details!”

              We have like 100-500 years of history to show us that people in white supremacist countries will drop any kind of radical politics or international solidarity in a heartbeat in exchange for quality of life increases.

              The only way you’re getting the support of a majority of Americans for socialism is to continue to sell out the global south at the same time.

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                I think even people who are part of the US “underclass” in a lot of cases have a quality of life better than most non-labor-aristocrats in the Global South.

                And yet it’s still extremely fucking bad. Maybe you aren’t American, I don’t know, but conditions here are not good. When the US destroys another country, it benefits American capitalists and a substantial slice of the proletariat (I think that’s a big group - probably like half of white people). The rest of us don’t get shit but plastic.

                As to your overall point: again, you’re just obviously not someone who actually organizes with real working class Americans. You’re assuming that everyone is on the propaganda game - so who is it for? Why do we do this enormous, elaborate system of propagandistic education and the world’s largest media apparatus if everyone is consciously on board? It doesn’t make any sense. Why on earth would capitalists poor massive resources into convincing everyone of a complicated series of lies if everyone as a unit agrees with and consciously supports the truth of imperialism? Why fund the propaganda campaign this post is about? Very unserious world view to think this is a coincidence.

                It also kinda looks like you think the US is a democracy, which is extremely strange.

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                  People (who benefit from imperialism) want a casus belli for their hatred and “authoriarian foreign rulers” and every other piece of propaganda gives them that.

                  I remember an article around when the Bolivia coup happened that mentioned that some indigenous people who had supported MAS and were beneficiaries of its economic policies to the point that they increased their financial class, had actually started supporting the right-wingers against MAS, who were using the usual talking points about unearned handouts or whatever.

                  I think there are lots of people who won’t visibly support awful politics until they’re given encouragement by the ruling class and shown in a “wink-wink” way that they should. A lot of anti-China or anti-anything propaganda does mention how imperialism benefits Americans (our “way of life” under attack, “taking American jobs”, violent criminals, “welfare handouts” to immigrants, other fascist type stuff). I think the propaganda that doesn’t tie in to people’s selfishness may actually be less effective. Really the propaganda seems to try to emphasize the worst in people.

                  People who imperialism doesn’t benefit may parrot those talking points but maybe they’re also the least attached to them, and them believing them has the least effect. Someone working in the service industry doesn’t affect whether imperialism or anything else goes as planned, someone working for a weapon manufacturer does.

                  It wasn’t jews in Nazi Germany that anti-Jewish propaganda was directed at.

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    right on track for the 2025 war… i was starting to wonder if they were going to delay it or something because the amount of ‘rah-rah Taiwan’ has been rather low lately

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        totally… i just expect a lot more “Taiwan is America!” rah-rah first… just like the whole anti-semite bullshit on TV all of last summer before the single attack on an Israeli military base that somehow excuses them to spend a year bombing and slaughtering any Palestinian they see, and now Lebanese as well.

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    libs will see agencies get twice the annual budget of CNN to dedicate solely to fostering anti-Chinese sentiment and think they don’t have a propagandized view of the world

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    taiwanese semiconductors and their consequences have been a disaster for the generation that’s about to be sent to die over them