Noooo you can’t criticize my candidate it will make it harder for her to win like how people criticized Biden which made him quit and… checks notes completely turn around the election?
Huh, it’s almost as if people are literally begging to vote for someone they want to vote for
I think you underestimate the political cost of not siding with Israel, but also it doesn’t mean I support what we’ve done. I think we can both agree this is a very complicated/politically nuanced situation. I understand why it’s spooked people and if just saying words in support tipped the election to Trump - because sadly we know there is no action Harris can take right now - then I get why folks wanted to play it politically safe. I don’t agree with it, I sure don’t like it, but I get why people are scared and feeling that way.
Doesn’t mean I don’t think what has happened isn’t horrific, however. And our government is complicit.
I think we can both agree this is a very complicated/politically nuanced situation
No, I don’t agree with that. People have been gaslit (sorry) into thinking it’s a complicated situation with no fixes when reality is very cut and dry: Colonialist forces invaded, created an ethnostate, forced the population into an open prison and are proceeding to commit genocide with full support of the freedom loving international community.
There are people who think this is inhumane and they’re right to make their voices heard. It’s the candidate’s job to compromise with their electorate, not the other way around.
I said politically it’s complicated. I’m talking about political strategy, election strategy. That sort of thing. The point being that a pragmatic argument, which is valid in my opinion even if I disagree with it, is “Trump will be objectively worse so I have to vote against him.” For politicians it’s “ speaking out to forcefully against Israel could cost us the election which would make things even worse for the Palestinians.” Assuming their motivations are even altruistic, but either way the concern is losing the White House to Trump.
LMFAO see bro I think the exact same way, and using my critical thinking skills I used to reach that conclusion, I also deduced that the Democratic party is the only one that will even attempt to find a 2-state solution. Please, though, keep saying how terrible Kamala and the Democrats are. That’s totally the correct way to ensure Gaza exists in 10 years.
So I’m supposed to ignore the last 60 years of unblinking support for genocide because this time they promised. Wait, they didn’t even promise it, they continue to support and send weapons and shutting down discussions that would give Palestinians any rights.
But sure, the only way to stop genocide is to be complicit in genocide. Go Team Uncritical Support of the Lesser Evil
Er, it was the British who colonized Palestine. Then the Jews came as refugees who had been invited by Britain. Then the British left, and it was the Jews who created the ethnostate.
So the people who invaded and the people who created the ethnostate were two different groups of people.
Sorry if that sounds pedantic, but I think it’s important to be clear on what happened in this case.
Sure. They did that too, but that was after the creation of the ethnostate.
Britain took Palestine in 1916. In 1917, they invited Jews to settle there in the Balfour Declaration.
The British left in May 1948, and the Jewish settlers declared the existence of Israel (driving out 750,000 Palestinian refugees) in July. Then Israel annexed East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza in 1967, and they’ve been building illegal settlements in the West Bank since then.
Again, just trying to be clear on what happened. I’m not trying to downplay any of it.
There were still land purchases during the British Mandate for the future ethnostate that led to the forced displacement of around a hundred thousand Palestinians that worked and lived on those lands
Sorry, I’m just not a fan of terrorists. That’s just based on my personal experiences and world view. I hope you can see my point of view in the same way I try to see yours
as they should be. These people are simply attempting to hurt the democratic ticket. Where were they at the RNC? The fact they werent there is proof they believe the only party that’d listen is the Democrats, and if they believed that, they’d want the Democrats to win. But they don’t. So they’re, at the very least, anti-democratic. And should be ignored. Especially during the fucking DNC. Idiots
How many Palestinian-Americans are registered Republican?
It appears that these protests are being championed from within the respective parties, with a large cohort of “Uncommitted” liberal voters out of the Midwest leading the charge.
I understand I’ll get downvoted for this but Harris said herself, as did Biden this week at the DNC that the protesters have a point, and that Harris wants a 2-state solution, ceasefire, hostages returned. Donald Trump wants Bibi to hold off and kill the ceasefire, to “finish the job”.
Harris is the best route to ensuring that Palestine continues to receive US based aid as well as support for the end of the war.
It is NEVER about getting EVERYTHING or NOTHING. If you set yourself on all or nothing, you will almost always end up with nothing.
I’m voting Harris because I believe she is the best chance Palestine has right now.
Our entire government has failed to respond to the challenge of standing up to Israel and has even provided the tools for them to continue their horrific campaign against the Palestinian people. We are all complicit in what has happened and history will not be kind to us.
I also believe that Trump would be objectively worse.
That’s honestly unfair as fuck to say “we are all complicit” as Americans, like maybe look at the globe. This was created and allowed to exist for a lot of reasons. It’s a monstrosity. But don’t let these fucks trick you into believing you should shoulder this like some white guilt nonsense
Apparently dissent on Lemmy is marked as “genocide” and censored. Between this and all Israel news outlets being censored, it’s pretty clear this is just a pro-terrorism platform. Goodbye.
And many of these Palestine protester groups are on a team of their own, they are looking for an ‘all or nothing solution’ and anything else is against the team so burn it all down (many interviewed talk of destroying the whole system). Interesting how it’s okay when it supports your interest, huh?
It makes me sad to see people even on lemmy so dismissive of this.
People are worried because of the upcoming election. We should still hold our politicians accountable, regardless. I agree.
Noooo you can’t criticize my candidate it will make it harder for her to win like how people criticized Biden which made him quit and… checks notes completely turn around the election?
Huh, it’s almost as if people are literally begging to vote for someone they want to vote for
I think you underestimate the political cost of not siding with Israel, but also it doesn’t mean I support what we’ve done. I think we can both agree this is a very complicated/politically nuanced situation. I understand why it’s spooked people and if just saying words in support tipped the election to Trump - because sadly we know there is no action Harris can take right now - then I get why folks wanted to play it politically safe. I don’t agree with it, I sure don’t like it, but I get why people are scared and feeling that way.
Doesn’t mean I don’t think what has happened isn’t horrific, however. And our government is complicit.
No, I don’t agree with that. People have been gaslit (sorry) into thinking it’s a complicated situation with no fixes when reality is very cut and dry: Colonialist forces invaded, created an ethnostate, forced the population into an open prison and are proceeding to commit genocide with full support of the freedom loving international community.
There are people who think this is inhumane and they’re right to make their voices heard. It’s the candidate’s job to compromise with their electorate, not the other way around.
I said politically it’s complicated. I’m talking about political strategy, election strategy. That sort of thing. The point being that a pragmatic argument, which is valid in my opinion even if I disagree with it, is “Trump will be objectively worse so I have to vote against him.” For politicians it’s “ speaking out to forcefully against Israel could cost us the election which would make things even worse for the Palestinians.” Assuming their motivations are even altruistic, but either way the concern is losing the White House to Trump.
LMFAO see bro I think the exact same way, and using my critical thinking skills I used to reach that conclusion, I also deduced that the Democratic party is the only one that will even attempt to find a 2-state solution. Please, though, keep saying how terrible Kamala and the Democrats are. That’s totally the correct way to ensure Gaza exists in 10 years.
Edit: oh I recognize the ID, this is just a troll
So I’m supposed to ignore the last 60 years of unblinking support for genocide because this time they promised. Wait, they didn’t even promise it, they continue to support and send weapons and shutting down discussions that would give Palestinians any rights.
But sure, the only way to stop genocide is to be complicit in genocide. Go Team Uncritical Support of the Lesser Evil
Er, it was the British who colonized Palestine. Then the Jews came as refugees who had been invited by Britain. Then the British left, and it was the Jews who created the ethnostate.
So the people who invaded and the people who created the ethnostate were two different groups of people.
Sorry if that sounds pedantic, but I think it’s important to be clear on what happened in this case.
That’s ignoring decades of land grabs by aforementioned ethnostate. Don’t make me post that chart
Sure. They did that too, but that was after the creation of the ethnostate.
Britain took Palestine in 1916. In 1917, they invited Jews to settle there in the Balfour Declaration.
The British left in May 1948, and the Jewish settlers declared the existence of Israel (driving out 750,000 Palestinian refugees) in July. Then Israel annexed East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza in 1967, and they’ve been building illegal settlements in the West Bank since then.
Again, just trying to be clear on what happened. I’m not trying to downplay any of it.
There were still land purchases during the British Mandate for the future ethnostate that led to the forced displacement of around a hundred thousand Palestinians that worked and lived on those lands
https://theconversation.com/property-disputes-in-israel-come-with-a-complicated-back-story-and-tend-to-end-with-palestinian-dispossession-161250
Oh wow this guy thinks he’s the reason Biden dropped out
Nah that was when his brain leaked out of his ears on national television
Sorry, I’m just not a fan of terrorists. That’s just based on my personal experiences and world view. I hope you can see my point of view in the same way I try to see yours
There wouldn’t be any Palestinian terrorism if Israel would stop oppressing the Palestinians.
Same, I’m not a fan of Israelie State terrorists killing journalists and children either.
10/7 denialism is strong here. Showing the true colors with the Nazi play book.
Who denies that? Both Hamas and the Israeli government are terrorists wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity.
They all suck and it’s the people living there that suffer the consequences.
How? They murder journalists and children, and terrorize Palestinians. It’s proven. That’s not a nazi conspiracy.
as they should be. These people are simply attempting to hurt the democratic ticket. Where were they at the RNC? The fact they werent there is proof they believe the only party that’d listen is the Democrats, and if they believed that, they’d want the Democrats to win. But they don’t. So they’re, at the very least, anti-democratic. And should be ignored. Especially during the fucking DNC. Idiots
How many Palestinian-Americans are registered Republican?
It appears that these protests are being championed from within the respective parties, with a large cohort of “Uncommitted” liberal voters out of the Midwest leading the charge.
Politics has become a team sport. They only care about themselves and if their team “wins”.
I want Harris to win but I also care deeply about what’s happening to the Palestinian people. It’s awful.
I understand I’ll get downvoted for this but Harris said herself, as did Biden this week at the DNC that the protesters have a point, and that Harris wants a 2-state solution, ceasefire, hostages returned. Donald Trump wants Bibi to hold off and kill the ceasefire, to “finish the job”.
Harris is the best route to ensuring that Palestine continues to receive US based aid as well as support for the end of the war.
It is NEVER about getting EVERYTHING or NOTHING. If you set yourself on all or nothing, you will almost always end up with nothing.
I’m voting Harris because I believe she is the best chance Palestine has right now.
Our entire government has failed to respond to the challenge of standing up to Israel and has even provided the tools for them to continue their horrific campaign against the Palestinian people. We are all complicit in what has happened and history will not be kind to us.
I also believe that Trump would be objectively worse.
That’s honestly unfair as fuck to say “we are all complicit” as Americans, like maybe look at the globe. This was created and allowed to exist for a lot of reasons. It’s a monstrosity. But don’t let these fucks trick you into believing you should shoulder this like some white guilt nonsense
Wow that sure came out of left field and without any consideration for what I might identify as or racially/ethnically be lmao
lmfao
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Apparently dissent on Lemmy is marked as “genocide” and censored. Between this and all Israel news outlets being censored, it’s pretty clear this is just a pro-terrorism platform. Goodbye.
Your modlog is fully visible for anyone who cares to look:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=5723532
“I’m voting for Trump because I want Israel to finish off the terrorists in Gaza.”
There are two problems with this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111
So, yeah, backing Trump’s statement that Israel needs to “get it over with fast”? That’s advocating genocide.
And many of these Palestine protester groups are on a team of their own, they are looking for an ‘all or nothing solution’ and anything else is against the team so burn it all down (many interviewed talk of destroying the whole system). Interesting how it’s okay when it supports your interest, huh?
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