Well. In some twisted way it is polarising and broken.
Trans right activists have pushed far too strong and too far. Probably as well in a reactionary sense to an extremist right position.
Trans right debates have gone so far to ignore biology in a sense. Forcing an idea that there are multiple genders. An idea everyone should be entitled to have, but no one should be forced to believe so.
There are trans people activists calling for the death of all men, again in a reactionary sense against positions of the far right, whom themselves have been polarised further.
It doesn’t matter who started. But the spiral doesn’t seem to end anytime soon.
Trans right activists have pushed far too strong and too far. Probably as well in a reactionary sense to an extremist right position.
What does this even mean? Why is there a speed limit on giving people equal rights? What did trans people do to make republicans kick them out of bathrooms and legislate away pronouns?
I’m not going to bother continuing to respond to your other points. You’re clearly a bigot/transphobic. You think they deserve this.
Trans right activists have pushed far too strong and too far. Probably as well in a reactionary sense to an extremist right position.
What does this even mean? Why is there a speed limit on giving people equal rights?
Regardless of the current topic, every social and cultural development needs a speed limit. Radical change leads to radical currents. Because unchecked socio-cultural development depends on people. It does not involve people, but issues a dictate.
And whether this dictate is progressive and positive is a moot point. But oppressive constraints lead to counter-movements.
What did trans people do to make republicans kick them out of bathrooms and legislate away pronouns?
First of all, trans people were assigned a gender at birth.
And what is written on a
document, that’s what’s valid. Accordingly, Republicans are not kicking trans people out of bathrooms, they are maintaining the status quo and enforcing an enforcement of the current norms.
Your point is more that Republicans are standing in the way of trans people making a change in their documents that legally assures them the use of the bathroom they want.
I’m not going to bother continuing to respond to your other points. You’re clearly a bigot/transphobic. You think they deserve this.
This is unfortunate. I would have liked to further discuss this.
Well. Kill all men is still a rather popular hashtag on Twitter.
Also found this article about something similar. (Why it’s not ok to say “kill all men”)
But unfortunately I cannot find the video that I was referring to.
It’s not really hard to understand. Gender and sex are different things. Trans rights debates aren’t ignoring biology, because gender has nothing to do with biology (that would be sex).
In simpler terms, sex is determined by biology - genetics, genitals you were born with, etc., and gender is determined by what an individual perceives themselves to be.
It’s not really hard to understand. Gender and sex are different things.
And still people claim that there is the male gender and the female gender. So there clearly is a connection, is there not?
Trans rights debates aren’t ignoring biology, because gender has nothing to do with biology (that would be sex).
I had many interesting discussions about gender. And I really was open to all kinds of opinions. And I believe that I still am.
But so far no one could clearly tell me what gender is. Is it a social construct? Is it connected to sex? If not, why are there two genders called male and female? Wait there are more than 2 genders? How many are there? 50, 60? Oh no, gender is a spectrum. A spectrum of what? Of what people feel like?
Feel like happy, sad? NOPE, It’s sexual - but in a thought concept only!
What use does that have? If it’s a spectrum, then I cannot grasp it, it’s vague and it cannot be communicated.
Everything so far speaks against the existence of gender. Because even the origin of gender studies are about the social dynamics between the male sex and female sex.
In simpler terms, sex is determined by biology - genetics, genitals you were born with, etc., and gender is determined by what an individual perceives themselves to be.
“determined by what an individual perceives themselves to be.” And here we get into the absolutely ridiculous part of the gender idea. Some delusional people believe themselves to be medical experts. Does that make them a doctor? Or does their gender become “doctor”?
Gender ideology is a piece of clay that dried out while it was still formed.
Ok buddy. You’re thinking way too hard about it. There isn’t an easier way for me to explain it than I have already, so I guess just accept the fact that you’re lost.
I am from Germany. Everything of substance must (and can) be defined and described clearly.
I am thinking hard about it, because it needs to make sense to have an actual value to me. And I have been trying. But I fail and have yet to see someone succeed.
If a replicable description/definition of an idea or concept does not exist, then this concept or this idea is flawed and needs correction/rethinking. Or, if with substantial efforts, no clear definition can be made out, then the concept/the idea needs to be discarded and we move along to the next idea/concept we might see take shape.
Yes I understood by now that gender is mental. But now tell me, how it does differentiate from a delusion.
If gender is a mental association with a sexual construct, then it is purely imaginary. And what value does it have then?
In everyone’s brain is the structure of a human consciousness. And this consciousness is a survival and problem solving apparatus. It does not need to identify with anything. It just needs to control the conscious bodily functions.
The human consciousness is independent from gender. We would usually arrange just fine if we would have been born in a body of a different sex. Because we adapt.
I would do just fine in a female body. I wouldn’t care much. I don’t identify with my sex because I do not identify with some twisted sexual construct.
I am a human consciousness in a flesh suit. And as long as I can do my daily tasks with that flesh suit, then life is alright. At least as good as it possibly can be.
Why would I even see a problem in my sex or gender or whatever if I have problems that annoy me so much more?
Occasionally my knees hurt, because I was running way too much in the past. I got a bit chubby then, which annoys me greatly, my eyesight has decreased immensely since I started studying in university, because of all this time I spend in front of books and screens.
And I am especially frustrated that I am not as bright as I would like to be. I want to know everything, I want to know how this universe works, into the smallest detail, and yet I am struggling due to laziness. My biggest enemy and challenge in life.
Gender is a luxury problem. And a worldwide view proves me right.
The belief to be born in the wrong body is delusion.
That doesn’t mean that I do not accept if people want plastic surgery. You do you. I owe you your right to believe I to your delusion. Can’t do much anyway. Some people believe into the bible.
But I refuse to accept a delusion as reality. And I do not want to be forced to pretend to believe into your delusion.
Yes I understood by now that gender is mental. But now tell me, how it does differentiate from a delusion.
Because, again, there is a difference between gender identity and biological sex. For most people, they align (male sex + male gender = alignment). For trans people, it doesn’t. Your body will be one thing, but your brain tells you that your body is wrong. This isn’t a “delusion”, it’s a recognized condition called dysphoria (there are studies that show there’s a difference in the brain that causes this).
We would usually arrange just fine if we would have been born in a body of a different sex. Because we adapt.
Correct, and humans would adapt by assuming the gender roles of the sex / gender they feel they align with.
I would do just fine in a female body. I wouldn’t care much.
Awesome, but there are many trans individuals who realize that they’re trans but don’t care to transition or change their body, and the cool thing is, that doesn’t make them any less valid. Everyone is different.
Why would I even see a problem in my sex or gender or whatever if I have problems that annoy me so much more?
Pretty simply, because for some people, the problem with their gender (gender dysphoria) is stronger than problems that would annoy others much more. Again, everyone is different.
The belief to be born in the wrong body is delusion.
Well like I said previously, it’s not a belief, it’s a difference in the brain. You might think it’s a belief and a delusion, but science says you’re wrong.
Some people believe into the bible.
And many people don’t. I was raised to be a Christian, and quickly ditched that bs as soon as I figured out I could think for myself. I don’t think the words written in a book that a group of people follow should be the key to how people should live their lives. Ironically though, there isn’t anything in the bible that suggests transgender is delusional or wrong. In biblical times, there were eunuchs (believed to be early trans people), and Jesus actually supported them.
But I refuse to accept a delusion as reality. And I do not want to be forced to pretend to believe into your delusion.
Besides the fact that it’s not delusion, what is it do you feel like you’re being forced to do? If someone wishes to be addressed by a certain pronoun, you won’t comply? How does anyone being transgender affect your life in any real way, whatsoever?
Yes I understood by now that gender is mental. But now tell me, how it does differentiate from a delusion.
Because, again, there is a difference between gender identity and biological sex. For most people, they align (male sex + male gender = alignment). For trans people, it doesn’t. Your body will be one thing, but your brain tells you that your body is wrong. This isn’t a “delusion”, it’s a recognized condition called dysphoria (there are studies that show there’s a difference in the brain that causes this).
But even if my brain would not be perfectly adequate for my biological anatomy, then the mind could still adapt.
Peoples brains have proven to adapt to virtually anything. Even the functions of damaged brain tissue can be replaced by other parts of the brain. We are so adaptive, that I still ask myself, why trans people do not adapt.
We come to this world in a body, and only one. Might as well care for it as good as possible. My brain would also like me to look more handsome, but I am ugly af.
I am pretty sure that my brain is rather similar to the brains of good looking people.
Is this also some kind of dysphoria? Do I need to identify with Someone good looking? No. Of course not. I have to do the best possible with what I was born with.
We would usually arrange just fine if we would have been born in a body of a different sex. Because we adapt.
Correct, and humans would adapt by assuming the gender roles of the sex / gender they feel they align with.
What I meant was adapting to the surrounding. What you are referring to is adapting the conditions to one’s liking. Something humans do all too often, forcing nature the way they want it to be. That’s not adaptation. That’s conquering.
I would do just fine in a female body. I wouldn’t care much.
Awesome, but there are many trans individuals who realize that they’re trans but don’t care to transition or change their body, and the cool thing is, that doesn’t make them any less valid. Everyone is different.
Then I do not understand the term trans. Is trans not short for transitioning? Is my understanding, the basis of my attitude, a false assumption?
Why would I even see a problem in my sex or gender or whatever if I have problems that annoy me so much more?
Pretty simply, because for some people, the problem with their gender (gender dysphoria) is stronger than problems that would annoy others much more. Again, everyone is different.
I guess this is different for each individual.
The belief to be born in the wrong body is delusion.
Well like I said previously, it’s not a belief, it’s a difference in the brain. You might think it’s a belief and a delusion, but science says you’re wrong.
But while the structure of a brain might be an indicator for behavioural tendencies, the brain intel self and the human mind is quite very adaptable.
Growing up in a body familiarises our brain structure with the workings of our body. Repeated tasks endive the creation of additional Ca2+ canals on the synapses. The link between body control and mind is reinforced, the more we act.
So in the long run, every kind of mind, every believed gender should and could familiarise with every kind of body.
Some people believe into the bible.
And many people don’t. I was raised to be a Christian, and quickly ditched that bs as soon as I figured out I could think for myself. I don’t think the words written in a book that a group of people follow should be the key to how people should live their lives. Ironically though, there isn’t anything in the bible that suggests transgender is delusional or wrong.
This was not the point I was trying to make. I wanted to compare the belief into genders to the belief into the bible, as to my understanding (and partly my belief) both come from a point of irrational beliefs.
I usually don’t like articles from organisations that might be biased. And this organisation seems to have an objective.
But this article was alright.
But as I said, I am no christian, I quit a decade ago, when it came to light, that those pervs couldn’t stop touching children.
But I refuse to accept a delusion as reality. And I do not want to be forced to pretend to believe into your delusion.
Besides the fact that it’s not delusion, what is it do you feel like you’re being forced to do? If someone wishes to be addressed by a certain pronoun, you won’t comply?
I am fairly opinionated by now. I now perceive and believe gender to be a delusion. A harmless delusion though. But one I do not want to be involved with.
If someone asks me, that I address them with a specific pronoun, then I would most likely comply. I do not want to make enemies. And I do not see any sense in arguing about it. I wouldn’t argue with a Christian or Muslim either, even though I believe they’re religions to be superstition.
But as I firmly believe that biology is characterising two sexes in most species on this world, I wouldn’t like the right to be taken from me to address people with the pronoun that I would assign to them based on my assumption of their sex.
I do not believe that “deadnaming” should be illegal. I wouldn’t do it, but I do not accept the perceived reality of my counterpart in a meeting.
This of course means that you can use any pronoun you want in a discussion with me. I might not like it, but if the discussion is worth it, I’d go on.
How does anyone being transgender affect your life in any real way, whatsoever?
It’s 99% the media. It makes a big thing about the small minority of transgender people. And the politicians join into the hymn in the hopes of more votes.
But this constant moral teachings are wearing on the nerves.
Well. In some twisted way it is polarising and broken.
Trans right activists have pushed far too strong and too far. Probably as well in a reactionary sense to an extremist right position.
Trans right debates have gone so far to ignore biology in a sense. Forcing an idea that there are multiple genders. An idea everyone should be entitled to have, but no one should be forced to believe so.
There are trans people activists calling for the death of all men, again in a reactionary sense against positions of the far right, whom themselves have been polarised further.
It doesn’t matter who started. But the spiral doesn’t seem to end anytime soon.
What does this even mean? Why is there a speed limit on giving people equal rights? What did trans people do to make republicans kick them out of bathrooms and legislate away pronouns?
I’m not going to bother continuing to respond to your other points. You’re clearly a bigot/transphobic. You think they deserve this.
Regardless of the current topic, every social and cultural development needs a speed limit. Radical change leads to radical currents. Because unchecked socio-cultural development depends on people. It does not involve people, but issues a dictate. And whether this dictate is progressive and positive is a moot point. But oppressive constraints lead to counter-movements.
First of all, trans people were assigned a gender at birth.
And what is written on a document, that’s what’s valid. Accordingly, Republicans are not kicking trans people out of bathrooms, they are maintaining the status quo and enforcing an enforcement of the current norms.
Your point is more that Republicans are standing in the way of trans people making a change in their documents that legally assures them the use of the bathroom they want.
This is unfortunate. I would have liked to further discuss this.
Who and when?
They’re going to find 1 fringe example and pretend that somehow rises to the level of the GOP’s state-level policies.
Can’t find the source. Just some feminists asking for all men to die.
But there was some video of some parade where a choir started to shout something along “death to all men”.
Now just think about how this radicalises the people that hear that. Then they radicalise themselves and become the reason for counterradicalisation.
And so Society swings itself to new heights of confrontation
Of course you can’t.
Well. Kill all men is still a rather popular hashtag on Twitter. Also found this article about something similar. (Why it’s not ok to say “kill all men”) But unfortunately I cannot find the video that I was referring to.
It’s not really hard to understand. Gender and sex are different things. Trans rights debates aren’t ignoring biology, because gender has nothing to do with biology (that would be sex).
In simpler terms, sex is determined by biology - genetics, genitals you were born with, etc., and gender is determined by what an individual perceives themselves to be.
And still people claim that there is the male gender and the female gender. So there clearly is a connection, is there not?
I had many interesting discussions about gender. And I really was open to all kinds of opinions. And I believe that I still am. But so far no one could clearly tell me what gender is. Is it a social construct? Is it connected to sex? If not, why are there two genders called male and female? Wait there are more than 2 genders? How many are there? 50, 60? Oh no, gender is a spectrum. A spectrum of what? Of what people feel like? Feel like happy, sad? NOPE, It’s sexual - but in a thought concept only! What use does that have? If it’s a spectrum, then I cannot grasp it, it’s vague and it cannot be communicated. Everything so far speaks against the existence of gender. Because even the origin of gender studies are about the social dynamics between the male sex and female sex.
“determined by what an individual perceives themselves to be.” And here we get into the absolutely ridiculous part of the gender idea. Some delusional people believe themselves to be medical experts. Does that make them a doctor? Or does their gender become “doctor”?
Gender ideology is a piece of clay that dried out while it was still formed.
Ok buddy. You’re thinking way too hard about it. There isn’t an easier way for me to explain it than I have already, so I guess just accept the fact that you’re lost.
I am from Germany. Everything of substance must (and can) be defined and described clearly. I am thinking hard about it, because it needs to make sense to have an actual value to me. And I have been trying. But I fail and have yet to see someone succeed.
If a replicable description/definition of an idea or concept does not exist, then this concept or this idea is flawed and needs correction/rethinking. Or, if with substantial efforts, no clear definition can be made out, then the concept/the idea needs to be discarded and we move along to the next idea/concept we might see take shape.
It does make sense, you’re just not grasping it. Think of it more as: gender is mental, sex is physical. It’s really not complicated.
Yes I understood by now that gender is mental. But now tell me, how it does differentiate from a delusion.
If gender is a mental association with a sexual construct, then it is purely imaginary. And what value does it have then?
In everyone’s brain is the structure of a human consciousness. And this consciousness is a survival and problem solving apparatus. It does not need to identify with anything. It just needs to control the conscious bodily functions.
The human consciousness is independent from gender. We would usually arrange just fine if we would have been born in a body of a different sex. Because we adapt.
I would do just fine in a female body. I wouldn’t care much. I don’t identify with my sex because I do not identify with some twisted sexual construct. I am a human consciousness in a flesh suit. And as long as I can do my daily tasks with that flesh suit, then life is alright. At least as good as it possibly can be.
Why would I even see a problem in my sex or gender or whatever if I have problems that annoy me so much more? Occasionally my knees hurt, because I was running way too much in the past. I got a bit chubby then, which annoys me greatly, my eyesight has decreased immensely since I started studying in university, because of all this time I spend in front of books and screens. And I am especially frustrated that I am not as bright as I would like to be. I want to know everything, I want to know how this universe works, into the smallest detail, and yet I am struggling due to laziness. My biggest enemy and challenge in life. Gender is a luxury problem. And a worldwide view proves me right.
The belief to be born in the wrong body is delusion. That doesn’t mean that I do not accept if people want plastic surgery. You do you. I owe you your right to believe I to your delusion. Can’t do much anyway. Some people believe into the bible.
But I refuse to accept a delusion as reality. And I do not want to be forced to pretend to believe into your delusion.
Because, again, there is a difference between gender identity and biological sex. For most people, they align (male sex + male gender = alignment). For trans people, it doesn’t. Your body will be one thing, but your brain tells you that your body is wrong. This isn’t a “delusion”, it’s a recognized condition called dysphoria (there are studies that show there’s a difference in the brain that causes this).
Correct, and humans would adapt by assuming the gender roles of the sex / gender they feel they align with.
Awesome, but there are many trans individuals who realize that they’re trans but don’t care to transition or change their body, and the cool thing is, that doesn’t make them any less valid. Everyone is different.
Pretty simply, because for some people, the problem with their gender (gender dysphoria) is stronger than problems that would annoy others much more. Again, everyone is different.
Well like I said previously, it’s not a belief, it’s a difference in the brain. You might think it’s a belief and a delusion, but science says you’re wrong.
And many people don’t. I was raised to be a Christian, and quickly ditched that bs as soon as I figured out I could think for myself. I don’t think the words written in a book that a group of people follow should be the key to how people should live their lives. Ironically though, there isn’t anything in the bible that suggests transgender is delusional or wrong. In biblical times, there were eunuchs (believed to be early trans people), and Jesus actually supported them.
Besides the fact that it’s not delusion, what is it do you feel like you’re being forced to do? If someone wishes to be addressed by a certain pronoun, you won’t comply? How does anyone being transgender affect your life in any real way, whatsoever?
But even if my brain would not be perfectly adequate for my biological anatomy, then the mind could still adapt. Peoples brains have proven to adapt to virtually anything. Even the functions of damaged brain tissue can be replaced by other parts of the brain. We are so adaptive, that I still ask myself, why trans people do not adapt. We come to this world in a body, and only one. Might as well care for it as good as possible. My brain would also like me to look more handsome, but I am ugly af. I am pretty sure that my brain is rather similar to the brains of good looking people. Is this also some kind of dysphoria? Do I need to identify with Someone good looking? No. Of course not. I have to do the best possible with what I was born with.
What I meant was adapting to the surrounding. What you are referring to is adapting the conditions to one’s liking. Something humans do all too often, forcing nature the way they want it to be. That’s not adaptation. That’s conquering.
Then I do not understand the term trans. Is trans not short for transitioning? Is my understanding, the basis of my attitude, a false assumption?
I guess this is different for each individual.
But while the structure of a brain might be an indicator for behavioural tendencies, the brain intel self and the human mind is quite very adaptable. Growing up in a body familiarises our brain structure with the workings of our body. Repeated tasks endive the creation of additional Ca2+ canals on the synapses. The link between body control and mind is reinforced, the more we act. So in the long run, every kind of mind, every believed gender should and could familiarise with every kind of body.
This was not the point I was trying to make. I wanted to compare the belief into genders to the belief into the bible, as to my understanding (and partly my belief) both come from a point of irrational beliefs.
I usually don’t like articles from organisations that might be biased. And this organisation seems to have an objective. But this article was alright. But as I said, I am no christian, I quit a decade ago, when it came to light, that those pervs couldn’t stop touching children.
I am fairly opinionated by now. I now perceive and believe gender to be a delusion. A harmless delusion though. But one I do not want to be involved with.
If someone asks me, that I address them with a specific pronoun, then I would most likely comply. I do not want to make enemies. And I do not see any sense in arguing about it. I wouldn’t argue with a Christian or Muslim either, even though I believe they’re religions to be superstition.
But as I firmly believe that biology is characterising two sexes in most species on this world, I wouldn’t like the right to be taken from me to address people with the pronoun that I would assign to them based on my assumption of their sex.
I do not believe that “deadnaming” should be illegal. I wouldn’t do it, but I do not accept the perceived reality of my counterpart in a meeting. This of course means that you can use any pronoun you want in a discussion with me. I might not like it, but if the discussion is worth it, I’d go on.
It’s 99% the media. It makes a big thing about the small minority of transgender people. And the politicians join into the hymn in the hopes of more votes. But this constant moral teachings are wearing on the nerves.
There is only one gender. I CALL HIM GEN-DORR
“GEN-DORR” somewhat sounds like some perfume brand.