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RULE
Ha, GAY!
(and there’s nothing wrong with that)
These American Soldiers fighting for America are UNAMERICAN!
MORE👏GAY👏WAR👏CRIMINALS!
Beat me to it
Awww! Invading other countries for oil is okay when it’s gay!
The American Department of War - an LGB ally near you! Not for TQ+ though! We murder those in cold blood! Ha ha hah. wink
The best part about this to me, who served with the Marines, is that the whole lot of 'em are so gay adjacent that Sgt. Morgan could very plausibly be straight and that other guy is just one of his Marine buddies who wasn’t on the deployment with him and the photographer just made an assumption.
“The Navy is the straightest bunch of gay guys you’ll ever meet; the Marines are the gayest straight guys” as the saying goes.
You broke the rule of not putting the word rule on the post title.
…what is the world rule? Should we be concerned?
Fucking autocorrect lol
look im not gonna say that the army cant join Gay, but Gay should have a dont ask dont tell policy about it. just keep the uniform to yourself (unless you’re at a bath house).
psychopath to psychopath love. how adorable.
Wouldn’t that be convenient? Everyone who does horrible things is a psychopath? No. They’re just people. People that bought the patriotism line, or who wanted out of poverty and were told this might be a way, or people who have some notion of honor or duty or what have you. They’re you, with different social pressures. That’s what the fight is against - not groups that find terrible people and cultivate them, but groups that can frame terrible things in ways that ordinary people find noble or worthy. Just as much as you yourself are not immune to propaganda, neither is anyone else.
But by that same coin psychopaths are also people, the soldiers killing innocents on the Caribbean they could have consciences. The soldiers who killed people in Iraq they were folks just like you and me, and normal every day peopled cheered on tv for the blood of innocents being spilled and every day normal people get indoctrinated by psycopathic systems to be the perfect psycho’s that do it’s bidding. Serial killers get caught and they seem perfectly normal and it turns out they had bodies under their house and so on. Nazis had families and friends and loved ones. Yes they are me. Except i haven’t killed anyone. And i will call killers and thugs what they are: Psychos. And i hope they retain that level of humanity so that their crimes haunt them every day of their life.
But for what i’ve seen most of them they are not even haunted, they only get mad they don’t get the praise they feel entitled to for being useful little psychos.
… You must not have spoken to many veterans then. Especially after the US withdrawals in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Suicide rates, poverty and trauma are quite high. You might enlist off the patriotism Kool-aid, but you sure don’t believe in it after a tour.
Additionally, the US Department Of Defense is the world’s largest employer. The percentage of soldiers in active combat roles is quite low all things considered, especially in the current day. Logistics, Intelligence, and Maintenance comprise the majority of roles.
I mean, the question here is: does feeling bad afterwards take away the blood in their hands? How about the almost national drive to dehumanize the enemy? If america sets out in wars to attack latin America or canada, am i supposed to think, “oh poor little babies they will feel bad afterwards” i am pretty sure a lot of nazis drank the cool aid and felt bad when they lost the war.
Added to that, the war machine is making it easy to kill comfortably, guided missiles, drones, intelligent weaponry. maybe some drone operators will feel some discomfort in their gaming chairs after drone striking fishermen or families, but does that make them innocent? Does that help them regain the humanity they lost?
That’s the thing - you circle back to the role of an individual person versus a collective organization.
The President is the commander in chief. Below them the support staff in the cabinet that were appointed by the President direct the individual branches of the military, the generals of each major division of each branch, and so on, and so on.
The soldiers depicted in the photo, even during the time it was taken, would have no bearing on any of the decisions during their enlistment, and that’s presuming they were assigned to a role relevant to the conflict.
If you are frustrated with the DoD’s extensive reach and the history of warfare by the US, that’s fine. If you’re angry and hate the current leadership and their bloody, shortsighted, unnecessarily cruel decisions, I understand and agree with you.
But I don’t think that justifies or validates hating the veterans that returned home, or for the enlisted members who are in their assigned roles in a position they cannot easily leave. And it certainly doesn’t validate demonizing this couple who you’ve likely never met or have any background on.
joining the military is not mandatory in the us. everyone who joins deserves whatever bad luck they encounter.
sounds harsh. but the us military has been a war crime machine since at least the cold war.
But americans use this logic all the time for everyone else! They dehumanized the people of iraq, the people in el salvador, in cuba, the press makes loopsided reasons to justify killing innocents. I’ve known this all my life. Why should i be tactful about rightfully calling killers what they are if americans cannot have an ounce of mercy? This is that good ol american privilege, “dont call us bloodthirsty in our social media! “ they will stomp on childrens heads and crybully about stubbing their toes in the process, and then recede back and say,” hate the government, not the people, like their warmachine makes that distinction.
If those veterans were invading my country i would not want them to return home.
Huh? The war in Iraq was protested, along with the Cuban blockade. The actions in El Salvador were and still are reviled by those who have that level of empathy here in the states. I myself have participated in local, state, and federal elections and have supported candidates that try to resolve the underlying problems that led to those events in the first place.
Something you have to keep in mind about the actions of the US public is how diluted our voices truly are at the federal and international level. I live in a state that only has 2 senators and 52 house representatives for our population of almost 40 million people for one state. That’s not counting things like unequal representation for the people of Puerto Rico, Guam, and Samoa, where they have no federal delegates. On top of that, you have special interest groups, lobbying, greed and incentive structures from players like the “Military-Industrial Complex”, and the whole thing spirals from there.
Again - the armed forces of the United States are held under the command structure I mentioned earlier. Held by a president that never won my state, who my community and I did not vote for, and who does not represent my views. That is the problem with our form of government - we have no representative (or I guess universally supported) decision making regarding war. Especially since presidents decided to bypass Congress in taking military action without a declaration of war.
Suicide rates, poverty and trauma are quite high. You might enlist off the patriotism Kool-aid, but you sure don’t believe in it after a tour.
Good to hear. Let’s hope those ICE officers follow suit.
Stop using mental disorders as synonyms for being a shitty person.
There is mounting academic evidence that military training and wartime experience can develop psycopathic traits in soldiers, and that for high ranking positions, sociopaths tend to be more successful in the army.
Sociopaths are more successful period. Wasn’t there studies showing basically all big companies CEOs are?
That sounds a bigger indictment towards the American capitalist system; Because the same way a military induction program evolves to create the perfect sociopath to be a soldier; Capitalism as a sociopathic system might be creating broken subjects to do it’s bidding!
Depends on how you define success. Success in capitalism requires viewing people, nature, everything as a resource to be extracted and turned into profit, which is difficult to do if you have empathy.
If you define success as creating a loving and nurturing environment for children, respecting nature, and leaving the world better for the next generation, then sociopaths fail miserably.
