LOL… not even “third world” countries do this.
If the shutdown continues into the days around Thanksgiving (specifically Wed/Sun when things are really busy), things will get really interesting.
If by interesting, you mean midair collisions.
i find aircraft accidents and incidents very interesting.
“You will see mass flight delays. You’ll see mass cancelations, and you may see us close certain parts of the airspace, because we just cannot manage it because we don’t have the air traffic controllers.”
Maybe y’all shouldn’t have let DOGE chainsaw the FAA, then.
Not to take any rightful criticism off of DOGE, but ATCs just have never properly recovered from Reagan getting pissy, and are still just not properly equipped.
It turns out that it takes more than 3 decades to recover from a radical right presidential administration.
It sucks that we’re gonna have to do it again now
We also have tooling from the 60s if I’m remembering right. We could have spent money on airplanes not crashing at really any time.
This is a half truth. There are a lot of technologies from the 60’s to 80’s still in use as backups. At least for the enroute portion these are essentially backups for backups to ensure planes do not hit each other. Tech in towers is generally older overall since it’s much more costly to implement at every airport. Ultimately all this does is eat into the budget which could be used to hire more or pay better, but either likely go to other critical services anyway. Manpower is by far the biggest issue for controllers.
The answer is obviously force them to work without pay or face jail, right?
What does this even mean? How do you “close certain parts of the airspace”?
Do you invoke NORAD to prevent airplanes from flying into certain portions of US air space? Do you NOTAM certain airspace as class G? Do you maintain the class so VFR can’t fly through and have IFR avoid it? Do you put a TFR across the airspace?
Come on, dude. Be specific. FAA is DOT. You have the means to find someone who knows the correct words.
It means the airports serving the area are shut down due to lack of ATC staff. You don’t need to get into military no fly zones. All commercial traffic to those areas will go away by itself.
That doesn’t mean anything. You can land at an airport without ATC. You can fly VFR. It’s unusual for ATP because, well, it severely limits when and where you can fly. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible. And if it’s a center and not an individual airport tower, you can probably fly IFR and cancel IFR when you get close to the airport and land under VFR.
You’ll still need fire trucks and such, but that shouldn’t be federal to my knowledge.
Big commercial airlines are not going to do that. Sure, general aviation can. That doesn’t matter for the parts of the system that affect the stock market.
Large commercial airlines already fly to untowered airports. It’s not incredibly common, but it does happen.
If as others have said, it massively reduces the number of flights that can be handled at once; you almost certainly won’t see parallel landings at an uncontrolled airport, for example. But it wouldn’t completely stop air travel.
Right, the scale is what matters here.
There was a cargo plane (747? 737?) that flew VFR. It’s not impossible but would greatly reduce the rate of arrivals/departures.
It’s kind of unprecedented at where we are headed. I wouldn’t expect them to do this normally, but desperate times may lead to desperate measures. We’ll see (even though I don’t think air travel is a need)
If the airlines industry crashes though, our economy is royally fucked though so
The economy is 5 companies in an AI trenchcoat. It’s already fucked.
Everyone is starving, inflation is terrible.
Trump sits at the resolute desk. He types into his computer “ChatGPT, is the economy good?”
“Yes” it replies
…… and SCENE
Because it’s a threat, not a safety measure
This is yet another loud chest beating to signal Republican incompetence
Doesn’t feel like a threat. Feels like a scare tactic to people who don’t know enough about how flying works.
There is no way in hell he gets away with physically shutting out other planes. NORAD is US + Canada. Canada is extremely unlikely to acquiesce, so he’ll have to use unpaid American military. Because ICE is not building fast enough (ICE is his excuse to say, “see? I’m not using military on civilians!”), he relies on the military to keep a hold on the populace. If they become too disgruntled, he loses or at least greatly impedes his progress towards his desired control of the entire US government.
If he declares that towered airports are now class G, then airplanes are still able to land but at a greatly reduced rate
If he makes them into TFR’s, then he’ll add time for planes to go around them.
His “threat” feels completely toothless.
Just keep reminding anybody that blames the Democrats that it’s the Republicans who are in charge right now. No need to argue or go down any rabbit holes with them; just a gentle friendly reminder and move on.
But humiliating them is so much better
To be humiliated, one has to have a sense of being wrong. These people have a severely underdeveloped sense of right and wrong, and thus cannot be humiliated. If anything, you will just anger them and they will dig their heels in deeper. It is better for them to gently be reminded of the truth and let them naturally figure it out themselves (if they ever figure it out; which, admittedly, is a long shot).
I’m watching Mikey Johnson lying right through his teeth about the shutdown. It’s probably been a near-daily morning ritual for him.
Idiots that voted for Taco and moronic bothsiderists will probably eat up these lies or stupidly blame bOtHsIdEs. I hope it’s more, but I’d be surprised if very many figure it out.
I don’t think humiliation works on Nazis
Nazis are without shame.
This might actually affect some republican politicians. They must REALLY want health insurance premiums to go up.
Trump wants to remove medical debt exclusions from credit reports: https://apnews.com/article/medical-debt-cfpb-fcra-equifax-experian-trans-union-fdb5ad61e4ca0f18943045d314dd7b3b
Trump wants to open forced labor internment camps for the unhoused: https://www.rawstory.com/trump-homeless/
Is anyone else sick to death of clickbait headlines?
Yes, me
However, this isn’t really a clickbait title of hou ask me. From reading the article, this IS what the guy said, so this is fairly on point
I don’t see 'slammed", or “destroyed” or shit like that
It’s click bait. Headlines used to feature the most important elements first.
Appropriate headline:
Government Shutdowns Threatens to…
Yes, but how is this clickbait?
Not click bait:
Government Shutdown Threatens to limit navigable airspace.
The only point of the headline is to get you to click. News organizations exist to sell ads. They can’t sell ads on an article you don’t click on. Every headline is literally clickbait if you want to be pedantic about it.
That said, THIS headline is not what anyone would typically call clickbait. It’s not asking a baiting question, burying a lede, or saying something that’s arguably untrue just to get you in to the article. “A person of particular interest to X industry says thing that he believes to be true about said industry.” The headline assumes you know a few things, sure. But it’s not a scholarly article, it’s allowed to assume you know things.
Anyway… my solution is the better headline.
It’s clearer.
And had the headline been mine, I wouldn’t have clicked. And that’s the point of headlines.
My job isn’t to click when your job is to inform.
And yes — the other version buries the lead.
Please forgive that I started this. It’s a demoralizing conversation.
It sucks for all the normal folks impacted by this, but being unable to travel for Thanksgiving might actually wake up enough people to the plight they voted for.
Billionaires being unable to use their private jets does it even faster.
You know that all republicans (including redneck in trailer parks) are watching faux news 24h/24 where they talk about the horrible democrat shutdown, so they will remember to vote republican again.
I laughed in a co workers face when he told me it was “democrats fault that the government is shutdown” these people are so fucking deluded they don’t even bother looking at anything outside their bubble. He then told me that the Democrats are trying to fund “transgender sex change operations in argentina”. They are literally flipping reality on its head they do not care for the truth only what media pundits feed to them.
There’s always a few that aren’t, people who can be pried off of the leftward flank.
If you think there aren’t then you might as well start advocating for the dissolution of the United States, because the experiment is over and it’s a failure.
Yep. They are getting their news from the “news” networks that cannot even get the fucking name of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY right.
I don’t hold out much hope for them to wake up, since these are also the people that are terrified of all things “woke”.
I fled a republican controlled hell hole because I’m queer. Even if flying was in a normal situation I wouldn’t be going back there anytime soon.
I’m “lucky” in that I haven’t really been close to my family for a verity of reasons, but I have friends who are and it does suck for them.
Let them
eat caketake Greyhound.Greyhound is not cake in this analogy, it would be a private jet.
I’m all for it.
This might be a stupid question but I’m not from the US so bear with me.
If your “government” keeps not doing its job due to choosing to shutdown, how long until you decide this government isn’t doing its sole task of governing and get rid of it and form another?
In Canada if a budget vote fails, we call an election.
We elect our politicians on a set schedule, and keep our Executive and Legislative branches separate. So, the next opportunity to “form a new government” is next November, when we re-elect the entire House and 1/3 of the Senate.
And keep in mind what this shutdown actually is. It is a failure to pass a law that appropriates money to government agencies. Not all government spending is subject to appropriations – in particular, Congress is still getting paid, because their salaries are not subject to yearly government appropriations.
Why can’t these agencies just continue to spend money? Because Congress made it illegal to exceed appropriations. This shutdown is not a bug, it’s how our politicians have set things up, on purpose.
It is a failure to pass a law that appropriates money to government agencies. Not all government spending is subject to appropriations – in particular, Congress is still getting paid, because their salaries are not subject to yearly government appropriations.
Yeah, it’s worth noting that the government shutdown is not budget related. The budget has already been passed. We know how much is going to be spent, and how it will be spent… This shutdown is because the appropriation was run separately, meaning the budget has passed but the various accounts for the budget have no money in them yet. The money already exists. It could be spent. But it’s not in the correct accounts, so the various agencies can’t access it. Thus, those agencies are shut down.
Good explanation, thank you. Not at all what I expected.
Third world country.
Even third world countries keep their airports operating. Failed state is probably better descriptor.
Isn’t that an insult to several third world countries?
Map of affected areas:
(Good airspace is Red, bad airspace is Blue)
These assholes keep trying to blame this on Democrats. I see Mikey Johnson standing there and brazenly lying about SNAP and healthcare, FFS.
Don’t you guys have
phonesprivate jets?Winning!
Oh do go on. Can’t wait to see where this all ends up heading…
Unless the left can find some way of reaching them, right-wing media will convince Trump’s followers that “radical extremist Democrats” are causing all this trouble in the USA and only more fascism can fix it.
It’s heading nowhere according to Duffy.
