I was struggling to think of a character that was presented as “flawless” and Saru is the closest I could think of. I cannot conceive of a definition of “Mary Sue” that would apply to characters that that go to prison for mutiny. If Micheal meets the definition of a “Mary Sue” then Kirk, Sisko, Riker, Scotty, Wesley and Tom Paris do too but I suspect you would disagree with those being included.
Saru is awesome, and Doug Jones is a genius actor. I think he has the most character growth in the show.
My point is Micheal isn’t a good character in my opinion and I’m hopeful the writers won’t have another character like her in Academy. If you disagree that’s cool, reasonable minds can differ.
I want Trek to both be good TV and a good representation of Roddenberry’s vision of the future. I’m glad I watched Disco, it brought new life into the fandom.
If you single out a female character who’s not a Mary Sue as a Mary Sue for no reason other than because you personally don’t the character, people will think you’re sexist. Especially when you don’t apply that definition to the white and male characters who more closely fit the established definition.
I don’t care what Internet people think of me. I wrote nothing untoward and have been respectful in this conversation. No where have I said I don’t like her, I only said she’s a bad character fitting the Mary Sue archetype in my opinion and I have reasonable hope that SFA will be better than Disco. I can live with what I wrote. If you draw the conclusion that I am sexist, then that’s your opinion.
If you do not want to see my opinions, feel free to block me and forget I exist. This is not worth your time or mine.
I was struggling to think of a character that was presented as “flawless” and Saru is the closest I could think of. I cannot conceive of a definition of “Mary Sue” that would apply to characters that that go to prison for mutiny. If Micheal meets the definition of a “Mary Sue” then Kirk, Sisko, Riker, Scotty, Wesley and Tom Paris do too but I suspect you would disagree with those being included.
Saru is awesome, and Doug Jones is a genius actor. I think he has the most character growth in the show.
My point is Micheal isn’t a good character in my opinion and I’m hopeful the writers won’t have another character like her in Academy. If you disagree that’s cool, reasonable minds can differ.
I want Trek to both be good TV and a good representation of Roddenberry’s vision of the future. I’m glad I watched Disco, it brought new life into the fandom.
LLAP
If you single out a female character who’s not a Mary Sue as a Mary Sue for no reason other than because you personally don’t the character, people will think you’re sexist. Especially when you don’t apply that definition to the white and male characters who more closely fit the established definition.
I don’t care what Internet people think of me. I wrote nothing untoward and have been respectful in this conversation. No where have I said I don’t like her, I only said she’s a bad character fitting the Mary Sue archetype in my opinion and I have reasonable hope that SFA will be better than Disco. I can live with what I wrote. If you draw the conclusion that I am sexist, then that’s your opinion.
If you do not want to see my opinions, feel free to block me and forget I exist. This is not worth your time or mine.
ok wow lol well now I know you’re sexist lmao