The largest socialist organization in the imperial core setting up to remove prominent national political figures from power is newsworthy on a leftist forum
Let’s dissolve the org and take any semblance of the left existing out of the public eye! Being completely unheard of in a nation where legitimacy is essentially doled out for existing in the public eye will be great for base building, I’m sure
I didn’t say we should. I think we should get out there with a message about actual socialism instead of liberalism pretending to be socialism. Calling the modern New Deal socialism is a dead end.
DSA is the largest social chauvinist organization, the vast majority of its membership are paper only and of those that are active, a large contingent are NATO-loving imperialist fascists. The candidates they have put into congress have consistently endorsed genocide and war. They have no control or recall mechanism either (because they’re not an actual political party), so when AOCIA goes full zionist there’s nothing they can do about it. We have seen a consistent pattern of the DSA being used as a campaigning tool and then abandoned by careerists. There’s no mechanism to actually enforce that they stay principled and don’t sell out, so of course the majority will quickly sell out.
Many of the DSA endorsed candidates don’t even come from the DSA. They are just people who show up, say “how do you do fellow socialists?” and get a bunch of free campaign volunteers. Definitely not a problematic system that will result in burn out and disillusionment from the membership when the people they worked so hard for win, and then promptly tack to the center and dump the DSA baggage.
“Nooo I didn’t mean defund the police and ICE. I was just saying it cause everyone else was. Nooo I didn’t mean globalize the intifada, I’ve learned and I’ve grown. Look, Israel needs defensive weapons so that they can survive to reform their system and form a two-state solution. Of course Hamas needs to be dismantled first, they are a terrorist organization”
And again, “setting up to remove” is not news. Post when they actually accomplish something
Great point, it’s actually way more important that we remain more afraid of doing anything wrong ever instead of actively attempting to normalize the idea of socialism to one of the most antisocialist propagandized populations on the planet.
Somebody will be mayor of NYC regardless of what we do, so we should actually just let serial sex pest Andrew Cuomo roll into office as mayor of one of the most important cities on the planet instead of somebody whose candidacy at the very least mobilized 50000 unique volunteers to rally behind an unabashed socialist in the heart of the imperial core.
Yes, we should actually raise rents on rent stabilized units representing 40% of apartments across the city, and we should not fight to extend free childcare to millions of children and their families all because Zohran wouldn’t go on The View and say Death to Amerikkka, NYC will be pursuing a nuclear weapons program to glass Tel Aviv, and the N/W line will be extended to LaGuardia using the bones of former NYPD officers who were subject to revolutionary tribunal as its elevated tracks.
I would be elated if this method works to produce socialism though. Inshallah you will put me on trial one day as a class traitor for attempting to do something when I could have just been doing nothing instead 🧎♂️➡️
Yes Mr. Landlord sir, I already understand you feel strongly about raising the rents on the working class, but I am just trying to figure out how to make my check out to you and what is this year’s increase?
Yes the only way to do anything is voooote. If you are against vooooting then you literally want us all to do nothing! There is nothing in the entire spectrum of existence outside of voting and sitting in an armchair all day, those are the two options
Yes!! Ignore where I made it clear multiple times elsewhere on this post that other base building is also important! What I actually meant by that was voting is the only way to accomplish anything!
Yes! Class interests can’t be addressed at all through voting! That’s why every landlord will sit out Election Day and not vote against the guy in favor of freezing the rent for millions of people in the working class, right?! Their class interests simply can’t be addressed by voting.
Voting just isn’t worth it at all! The guy who tangibly has the power to freeze my rent and says he will is, in fact, exactly the same as the guy who tangibly has the power raise my rent and says he will! That’s just a total grey zone!
Yes, I did reread it and think you actually have a great point.
You’ve totally changed my mind. All electoralism is inherently evil. If the working class is crying out for the boot to be removed from their neck, as principled socialists we absolutely should make sure they know that we actually don’t care. Should the opportunity to make the quality of life and organizing conditions of the working class better arise organically from ideas the working class has, and they are pursuable with almost no effort, we should resoundingly say
“I’m sorry, but I’m a principled socialist. You idiot proletarians will indeed be paying more in rent this year. Yes I know it is an overwhelmingly popular idea amongst you workers, and one might think getting a letter in your mailbox that says ’Your rent isn’t going up this year because socialists have your back.’ would appear to be a good thing for the movement, but actually that’s bad for you. Trust. Rent is due on the 1st btw.”
The policy literally central to the campaign of the candidate being called into question, which won’t be implemented if they aren’t elected, is a strawman? Lol
I’d say you’re acting like a Democrat, but in all honestly I’ve rarely seen Democrats fight so hard against a rent freeze as I’ve seen some of the anti-electoral so-called socialists, who seem absolutely insistent that we allow private landlords to raise rents on literally millions of working class New Yorkers.
Wow you leftists really love Israel! I never knew you hated starving Palestinians so much that you’d fight against somebody saying Israel is committing a genocide, that aid must be delivered to Gaza, that Netanyahu would be arrested if he stepped foot in his city, and that Israel fundamentally can not be allowed to exist as a Jewish supremacist apartheid state.
Yes! Yet again, another great point. Zohran and Kamala are completely comparable! History will absolutely remember you as the most principled leftist, and one who can totally discern the difference between when something that realistically helps the working class is actually on offer, or if nothing at all is actually on offer!
The social-democratic/reformist/electoralist contingent on this site often resorts to this type of thing because they have a chip on their shoulder about always being clowned on here, and they probably deep down kinda know the critiques of them from revolutionaries and communists are correct so they overcompensate with vitriol
I mean if we are talking about the imperial core AND its immediate periphery then yeah it isn’t the largest, but I’m clearly talking about the imperial core of the United States of America
The largest socialist organization in the imperial core setting up to remove prominent national political figures from power is newsworthy on a leftist forum
DSA is a liberal org, not a socialist one.
Let’s dissolve the org and take any semblance of the left existing out of the public eye! Being completely unheard of in a nation where legitimacy is essentially doled out for existing in the public eye will be great for base building, I’m sure
I’m sure portraying liberalism as socialism is a valid strategy.
I’m sure portraying even the idea of socialism as nonexistent in the mind of the average proletarian is an even more valid strategy.
I didn’t say we should. I think we should get out there with a message about actual socialism instead of liberalism pretending to be socialism. Calling the modern New Deal socialism is a dead end.
DSA is the largest social chauvinist organization, the vast majority of its membership are paper only and of those that are active, a large contingent are NATO-loving imperialist fascists. The candidates they have put into congress have consistently endorsed genocide and war. They have no control or recall mechanism either (because they’re not an actual political party), so when AOCIA goes full zionist there’s nothing they can do about it. We have seen a consistent pattern of the DSA being used as a campaigning tool and then abandoned by careerists. There’s no mechanism to actually enforce that they stay principled and don’t sell out, so of course the majority will quickly sell out.
Many of the DSA endorsed candidates don’t even come from the DSA. They are just people who show up, say “how do you do fellow socialists?” and get a bunch of free campaign volunteers. Definitely not a problematic system that will result in burn out and disillusionment from the membership when the people they worked so hard for win, and then promptly tack to the center and dump the DSA baggage.
“Nooo I didn’t mean defund the police and ICE. I was just saying it cause everyone else was. Nooo I didn’t mean globalize the intifada, I’ve learned and I’ve grown. Look, Israel needs defensive weapons so that they can survive to reform their system and form a two-state solution. Of course Hamas needs to be dismantled first, they are a terrorist organization”
And again, “setting up to remove” is not news. Post when they actually accomplish something
Great point, it’s actually way more important that we remain more afraid of doing anything wrong ever instead of actively attempting to normalize the idea of socialism to one of the most antisocialist propagandized populations on the planet.
Somebody will be mayor of NYC regardless of what we do, so we should actually just let serial sex pest Andrew Cuomo roll into office as mayor of one of the most important cities on the planet instead of somebody whose candidacy at the very least mobilized 50000 unique volunteers to rally behind an unabashed socialist in the heart of the imperial core.
Yes, we should actually raise rents on rent stabilized units representing 40% of apartments across the city, and we should not fight to extend free childcare to millions of children and their families all because Zohran wouldn’t go on The View and say Death to Amerikkka, NYC will be pursuing a nuclear weapons program to glass Tel Aviv, and the N/W line will be extended to LaGuardia using the bones of former NYPD officers who were subject to revolutionary tribunal as its elevated tracks.
I would be elated if this method works to produce socialism though. Inshallah you will put me on trial one day as a class traitor for attempting to do something when I could have just been doing nothing instead 🧎♂️➡️
This kinda sounds like how a Dem would try to convince me to vote for Kamala.
Damn that’s crazy because you kinda sound like how my landlord would try to convince me i should give him more money every month
That tweet image also sounds like how a Dem would try to convince me to vote for Kamala.
Yes Mr. Landlord sir, I already understand you feel strongly about raising the rents on the working class, but I am just trying to figure out how to make my check out to you and what is this year’s increase?
Yes the only way to do anything is voooote. If you are against vooooting then you literally want us all to do nothing! There is nothing in the entire spectrum of existence outside of voting and sitting in an armchair all day, those are the two options
Yes!! Ignore where I made it clear multiple times elsewhere on this post that other base building is also important! What I actually meant by that was voting is the only way to accomplish anything!
Yes! Class interests can’t be addressed at all through voting! That’s why every landlord will sit out Election Day and not vote against the guy in favor of freezing the rent for millions of people in the working class, right?! Their class interests simply can’t be addressed by voting.
Voting just isn’t worth it at all! The guy who tangibly has the power to freeze my rent and says he will is, in fact, exactly the same as the guy who tangibly has the power raise my rent and says he will! That’s just a total grey zone!
do you ever stop and re-read the shit you type and realize you sound identical to libs complaining about the loonie left?
Yes, I did reread it and think you actually have a great point.
You’ve totally changed my mind. All electoralism is inherently evil. If the working class is crying out for the boot to be removed from their neck, as principled socialists we absolutely should make sure they know that we actually don’t care. Should the opportunity to make the quality of life and organizing conditions of the working class better arise organically from ideas the working class has, and they are pursuable with almost no effort, we should resoundingly say
And just like the democrats, you resort to straw men when critiqued
The policy literally central to the campaign of the candidate being called into question, which won’t be implemented if they aren’t elected, is a strawman? Lol
I’d say you’re acting like a Democrat, but in all honestly I’ve rarely seen Democrats fight so hard against a rent freeze as I’ve seen some of the anti-electoral so-called socialists, who seem absolutely insistent that we allow private landlords to raise rents on literally millions of working class New Yorkers.
Wow you leftists really love Trump! I never knew you hate trans people so much that you fight against the lesser evil of Kamala
Wow you leftists really love Israel! I never knew you hated starving Palestinians so much that you’d fight against somebody saying Israel is committing a genocide, that aid must be delivered to Gaza, that Netanyahu would be arrested if he stepped foot in his city, and that Israel fundamentally can not be allowed to exist as a Jewish supremacist apartheid state.
Yes! Yet again, another great point. Zohran and Kamala are completely comparable! History will absolutely remember you as the most principled leftist, and one who can totally discern the difference between when something that realistically helps the working class is actually on offer, or if nothing at all is actually on offer!
The social-democratic/reformist/electoralist contingent on this site often resorts to this type of thing because they have a chip on their shoulder about always being clowned on here, and they probably deep down kinda know the critiques of them from revolutionaries and communists are correct so they overcompensate with vitriol
Largest socialist organization in the west? and its the DSA…
Absolute wild statement. Americans truly piss on the floor and call it a flood.
I mean if we are talking about the imperial core AND its immediate periphery then yeah it isn’t the largest, but I’m clearly talking about the imperial core of the United States of America
it isnt lol