• Sanctus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    15 hours ago

    Whatever you define them as they are hierarchal structures used to secure wealth and resources from the main bulk of the populace. Hierarchies cannot exist in a truly equal system.

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      They aren’t used to secure wealth and resources from the working class, they are extensions of the ruling class in society. In socialism, that’s the working class, and the state oppresses the bourgeoisie and defends from outside attack. There’s also administration, which is a necessary hierarchy even in anarchist systems, as production at a large scale requires managers, just like battlefields need footsoldiers, tacticians, and strategians.

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        41 minutes ago

        Anarchist systems do not require hierarchy. Even if they require some management that can be easily achieved without creating a hierarchy. This has been fun. Thanks ML Brigade. And they are used that way, hence the state of the world with the minority ruling and having all, the wealthy “elites”.

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          Yet again, “These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves.”

          Y’all have had the better part of two centuries to read On Authority, it ain’t even that long. Management without hierarchy jfc, whatever sort of structure you think that entails I can guarantee you’d have called the exact same structure totalitarian or some such childish name when it was actually attempted in a socialist state.